Bonhofer did not assinate Hitler. Claus von Stauffenberg did. Bonhoeffer was only a small bit player in the plot. His role was to help reform the "destroyed" German church. He likely did not know the details of the actual attempt.JohnH wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2026 2:23 pmI'm referring to his assassination attempt.Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2026 1:59 pmBonhoeffer died a martyr at Flossenburg concentration camp.
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I am surprised to learn that Hitler was assassinated.Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2026 9:08 pmBonhofer did not assinate Hitler. Claus von Stauffenberg did. Bonhoeffer was only a small bit player in the plot. His role was to help reform the "destroyed" German church. He likely did not know the details of the actual attempt.JohnH wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2026 2:23 pmI'm referring to his assassination attempt.Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2026 1:59 pm
Bonhoeffer died a martyr at Flossenburg concentration camp.
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He was not killed, it was an attempt. Unfortunately the attempt to blow him up failed because von Staffenburg put his briefcase bomb on the wrong side of a column, the column saved Hitler.JohnH wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2026 9:43 pmI am surprised to learn that Hitler was assassinated.Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2026 9:08 pmBonhofer did not assinate Hitler. Claus von Stauffenberg did. Bonhoeffer was only a small bit player in the plot. His role was to help reform the "destroyed" German church. He likely did not know the details of the actual attempt.
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As I understand it there isn't even actual evidence of that level of involvement. Only the word of his biographer who might have been motivated after the war to play up his resistance credentials.Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2026 9:08 pm ...Bonhoeffer was only a small bit player in the plot...
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Nonetheless, he wrote extensively about how sometimes assassinating someone is OK if they are evil enough; in essence, he argued against nonresistance.barnhart wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2026 8:29 amAs I understand it there isn't even actual evidence of that level of involvement. Only the word of his biographer who might have been motivated after the war to play up his resistance credentials.Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2026 9:08 pm ...Bonhoeffer was only a small bit player in the plot...
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All Lutherans of the period would have argues against nonresistence, as would Bonhoeffer. He is, in fact, a Lutheran.JohnH wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2026 8:36 amNonetheless, he wrote extensively about how sometimes assassinating someone is OK if they are evil enough; in essence, he argued against nonresistance.barnhart wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2026 8:29 amAs I understand it there isn't even actual evidence of that level of involvement. Only the word of his biographer who might have been motivated after the war to play up his resistance credentials.Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2026 9:08 pm ...Bonhoeffer was only a small bit player in the plot...
The only ones that might argue for nonresistance are the Laestadian Lutheran Church, and that is iffy.
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I would tend to disagree, to a point. He was, in fact, involved in planning for the day after Hitler dies. As to the actual plot, he likely did not know what was going on.barnhart wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2026 8:29 amAs I understand it there isn't even actual evidence of that level of involvement. Only the word of his biographer who might have been motivated after the war to play up his resistance credentials.Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2026 9:08 pm ...Bonhoeffer was only a small bit player in the plot...
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Well, there is that Quentin Tarantino movie ...
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3. Is there some serious wrongdoing or relational injury? Let's address that, probably not in public and certainly not for show.
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Hence why I am often puzzled why some Anabaptists look up to him as some kind of thinker on nonresistance; one of the defining characteristics of nonresistance is that we don't go and kill evil people and otherwise use force to do things that are obviously good.Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2026 1:24 pmAll Lutherans of the period would have argues against nonresistence, as would Bonhoeffer. He is, in fact, a Lutheran.
The only ones that might argue for nonresistance are the Laestadian Lutheran Church, and that is iffy.
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He left a lot of writing and he seemed to have shifted at times which makes him sort of a Rorschach inkblot character. People see in him what they came looking for.Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2026 1:26 pmI would tend to disagree, to a point. He was, in fact, involved in planning for the day after Hitler dies. As to the actual plot, he likely did not know what was going on.barnhart wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2026 8:29 amAs I understand it there isn't even actual evidence of that level of involvement. Only the word of his biographer who might have been motivated after the war to play up his resistance credentials.Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2026 9:08 pm ...Bonhoeffer was only a small bit player in the plot...
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