Shots Fired at White House Correspondents Dinner

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Re: Shots Fired at White House Correspondents Dinner

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Valerie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2026 9:23 am If what Barnhart says is true about the past, I’m trying to understand then why on earth Washington wanted that “other” newspaper to stick around & influence minds.
This a very good question to think about.
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To me, security worked very well in this incident. The shooter did not get past the security perimeter. He was unable to kill the people he was targeting.

I'm surprised this is being treated as a failure in some of the narratives. Why is that?
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Re: Shots Fired at White House Correspondents Dinner

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Bootstrap wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2026 10:47 am To me, security worked very well in this incident. The shooter did not get past the security perimeter. He was unable to kill the people he was targeting.

I'm surprised this is being treated as a failure in some of the narratives. Why is that?
Makes us feel important to be able to explain the failings of others.
Negative news sells better than positive news.
We don't like to admit when someone we dislike does things right.
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Bootstrap wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2026 10:47 am To me, security worked very well in this incident. The shooter did not get past the security perimeter. He was unable to kill the people he was targeting.

I'm surprised this is being treated as a failure in some of the narratives. Why is that?
This is a particularly interesting one, because the "security was a failure!" narrative seems to be neither left- nor right-wing coded. I frankly don't know where it is coming from.

I'm looking forward to Matt Taibbi/Michael Tracey's analysis this afternoon.
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JohnH wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2026 11:37 am
Bootstrap wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2026 10:47 am To me, security worked very well in this incident. The shooter did not get past the security perimeter. He was unable to kill the people he was targeting.

I'm surprised this is being treated as a failure in some of the narratives. Why is that?
This is a particularly interesting one, because the "security was a failure!" narrative seems to be neither left- nor right-wing coded. I frankly don't know where it is coming from.

I'm looking forward to Matt Taibbi/Michael Tracey's analysis this afternoon.
I haven’t heard it called a “failure “
I have heard Trump and his cabinet praising the security team for their responsive to what could have been SO much worse. The fact he was staying at the very hotel making it much easier to do what he did was of concern. Apparently in a case like this possibly treating guests like people boarding flights would have eliminated his weaponry he brought, he had on his person shotgun, gun, & knives. Sounds like a big plan he had.
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Re: Shots Fired at White House Correspondents Dinner

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barnhart wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2026 7:43 am
Valerie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2026 7:22 am George Washington was known for his honesty and probably assumed the opposition told the truth. Not sure, hard for me to remember if newspapers back then get sued for lying like msm does now. They don’t go away afterwards but it has added to the mistrust. People in general are less honest these days. I have management in more than one job position or location asking me to lie- they justified it. Lost a lot by refusing to.
I think you should do some digging into that history, I think the media landscape of his day was less reliable, more partisan and less truthful. I would compare it to grocery store tabloids.

In many ways we are in a golden age of media and yet we are less happy with it. In the past it was more censored, more controlled and more propagandistic.
Let us not forget William Randolph Hurst. Very few libel or slander cases against politicians are ever successful.

The media kept quiet about scandals from both parties. Particularly in places with multiple newspapers, hunting scandals was a bipartisan pursuit.
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ken_sylvania wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2026 11:04 am
Bootstrap wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2026 10:47 am To me, security worked very well in this incident. The shooter did not get past the security perimeter. He was unable to kill the people he was targeting.

I'm surprised this is being treated as a failure in some of the narratives. Why is that?
Makes us feel important to be able to explain the failings of others.
Negative news sells better than positive news.
We don't like to admit when someone we dislike does things right.
This guy rushed the first checkpoint. There will always be a first checkpoint. In my eyes, a sterling success.

Has anyone considered “suicide by cop”?
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Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2026 1:48 pm This guy rushed the first checkpoint. There will always be a first checkpoint. In my eyes, a sterling success.

Has anyone considered “suicide by cop”?
He had a manifesto, and doesn't appear to have been aiming to do that. His manifesto reveals he seemed to see himself as some kind of modern-day Bonhoeffer.
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JohnH wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2026 1:57 pm
Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2026 1:48 pm This guy rushed the first checkpoint. There will always be a first checkpoint. In my eyes, a sterling success.

Has anyone considered “suicide by cop”?
He had a manifesto, and doesn't appear to have been aiming to do that. His manifesto reveals he seemed to see himself as some kind of modern-day Bonhoeffer.
Bonhoeffer died a martyr at Flossenburg concentration camp.
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Re: Shots Fired at White House Correspondents Dinner

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Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2026 1:59 pm
JohnH wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2026 1:57 pm
Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2026 1:48 pm This guy rushed the first checkpoint. There will always be a first checkpoint. In my eyes, a sterling success.

Has anyone considered “suicide by cop”?
He had a manifesto, and doesn't appear to have been aiming to do that. His manifesto reveals he seemed to see himself as some kind of modern-day Bonhoeffer.
Bonhoeffer died a martyr at Flossenburg concentration camp.
I'm referring to his assassination attempt.
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