Shots Fired at White House Correspondents Dinner

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Re: Shots Fired at White House Correspondents Dinner

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JohnH wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2026 2:23 pm
Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2026 1:59 pm
JohnH wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2026 1:57 pm

He had a manifesto, and doesn't appear to have been aiming to do that. His manifesto reveals he seemed to see himself as some kind of modern-day Bonhoeffer.
Bonhoeffer died a martyr at Flossenburg concentration camp.
I'm referring to his assassination attempt.
Bonhofer did not assinate Hitler. Claus von Stauffenberg did. Bonhoeffer was only a small bit player in the plot. His role was to help reform the "destroyed" German church. He likely did not know the details of the actual attempt.
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Re: Shots Fired at White House Correspondents Dinner

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Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2026 9:08 pm
JohnH wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2026 2:23 pm
Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2026 1:59 pm

Bonhoeffer died a martyr at Flossenburg concentration camp.
I'm referring to his assassination attempt.
Bonhofer did not assinate Hitler. Claus von Stauffenberg did. Bonhoeffer was only a small bit player in the plot. His role was to help reform the "destroyed" German church. He likely did not know the details of the actual attempt.
I am surprised to learn that Hitler was assassinated.
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Re: Shots Fired at White House Correspondents Dinner

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JohnH wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2026 9:43 pm
Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2026 9:08 pm
JohnH wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2026 2:23 pm

I'm referring to his assassination attempt.
Bonhofer did not assinate Hitler. Claus von Stauffenberg did. Bonhoeffer was only a small bit player in the plot. His role was to help reform the "destroyed" German church. He likely did not know the details of the actual attempt.
I am surprised to learn that Hitler was assassinated.
He was not killed, it was an attempt. Unfortunately the attempt to blow him up failed because von Staffenburg put his briefcase bomb on the wrong side of a column, the column saved Hitler.
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Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2026 9:08 pm ...Bonhoeffer was only a small bit player in the plot...
As I understand it there isn't even actual evidence of that level of involvement. Only the word of his biographer who might have been motivated after the war to play up his resistance credentials.
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barnhart wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2026 8:29 am
Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2026 9:08 pm ...Bonhoeffer was only a small bit player in the plot...
As I understand it there isn't even actual evidence of that level of involvement. Only the word of his biographer who might have been motivated after the war to play up his resistance credentials.
Nonetheless, he wrote extensively about how sometimes assassinating someone is OK if they are evil enough; in essence, he argued against nonresistance.
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JohnH wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2026 8:36 am
barnhart wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2026 8:29 am
Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2026 9:08 pm ...Bonhoeffer was only a small bit player in the plot...
As I understand it there isn't even actual evidence of that level of involvement. Only the word of his biographer who might have been motivated after the war to play up his resistance credentials.
Nonetheless, he wrote extensively about how sometimes assassinating someone is OK if they are evil enough; in essence, he argued against nonresistance.
All Lutherans of the period would have argues against nonresistence, as would Bonhoeffer. He is, in fact, a Lutheran.

The only ones that might argue for nonresistance are the Laestadian Lutheran Church, and that is iffy.
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barnhart wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2026 8:29 am
Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2026 9:08 pm ...Bonhoeffer was only a small bit player in the plot...
As I understand it there isn't even actual evidence of that level of involvement. Only the word of his biographer who might have been motivated after the war to play up his resistance credentials.
I would tend to disagree, to a point. He was, in fact, involved in planning for the day after Hitler dies. As to the actual plot, he likely did not know what was going on.
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JohnH wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2026 9:43 pm I am surprised to learn that Hitler was assassinated.
Well, there is that Quentin Tarantino movie ...
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Re: Shots Fired at White House Correspondents Dinner

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Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2026 1:24 pm
JohnH wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2026 8:36 am Nonetheless, he wrote extensively about how sometimes assassinating someone is OK if they are evil enough; in essence, he argued against nonresistance.
All Lutherans of the period would have argues against nonresistence, as would Bonhoeffer. He is, in fact, a Lutheran.

The only ones that might argue for nonresistance are the Laestadian Lutheran Church, and that is iffy.
Hence why I am often puzzled why some Anabaptists look up to him as some kind of thinker on nonresistance; one of the defining characteristics of nonresistance is that we don't go and kill evil people and otherwise use force to do things that are obviously good.
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Re: Shots Fired at White House Correspondents Dinner

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Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2026 1:26 pm
barnhart wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2026 8:29 am
Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2026 9:08 pm ...Bonhoeffer was only a small bit player in the plot...
As I understand it there isn't even actual evidence of that level of involvement. Only the word of his biographer who might have been motivated after the war to play up his resistance credentials.
I would tend to disagree, to a point. He was, in fact, involved in planning for the day after Hitler dies. As to the actual plot, he likely did not know what was going on.
He left a lot of writing and he seemed to have shifted at times which makes him sort of a Rorschach inkblot character. People see in him what they came looking for.
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