Russia Invades Ukraine 2022

[Josh]

Sometimes war crimes actually are war crimes. And sometimes fake and fraudulent referendums actually are fake, fraudulent and illegal.

Just not when Democrats do it.

This is a thread about Russia. Not Donald Trump's unhinged delusions.

Democrats spent four years with unhinged delusions that Trump was somehow a Russian agent.

Guess what didn’t happen? Russia was at peace with the Ukraine during Trump’s Presidency.

[Falco Underhill]

Just not when Democrats do it.

This is a thread about Russia. Not Donald Trump's unhinged delusions.

Democrats spent four years with unhinged delusions that Trump was somehow a Russian agent.

Guess what didn’t happen? Russia was at peace with the Ukraine during Trump’s Presidency.

That's just another conspiracy theory, Josh. This is all Donald Trump's fault! What are you spreading Russian propaganda for?

[Ken]

Just not when Democrats do it.

This is a thread about Russia. Not Donald Trump's unhinged delusions.

Democrats spent four years with unhinged delusions that Trump was somehow a Russian agent.

Guess what didn’t happen? Russia was at peace with the Ukraine during Trump’s Presidency.

Are you making the absurd claim that there were no Russian troops fighting on Ukrainian soil and occupying Ukrainian territory during the Trump presidency?

[temporal1]

Recorded 3 months ago. Not the word of God, but, food for thought:

SCOTT RITTER / “He's EXPOSING the lies in Ukraine, and they don't like it” | Redacted Conversation with Scott Ritter / 1hr


Description:

Scott Ritter is a former UN Weapons Inspector who exposed the lies in Iraq.
He told the world that Saddam Hussein didn't have weapons of mass destruction.
Powerful people in Washington didn't want to hear it and he resigned in protest.

The War in Iraq cost millions of lives and trillions of dollars.
Now Ritter is revealing the truth about the latest U.S. military incursions in Ukraine, Syria, and beyond.

You can pre-order his new book right here: https://amzn #scottritter #ukrainewar

Comments:

LibertyMatrix
3 months ago
"Our government knows that's a lie, our military knows that's a lie, the Ukrainians know that's a lie and the Russians know that's a lie.
The only people buying into that apparently are the American public." ~Scott Ritter“

LibertyMatrix WROTE:
3 months ago (edited)
"One third of the CIA's budget is for propaganda." ~
former CIA whistleblower,
John Stockwell, - 1985

One hour is lengthy, Scott Ritter makes many points throughout.
He has plenty to say about George W Bush, and the NYT, too.

The last 10-15 min ..

Scott Ritter used profanity in one place two places (that i noticed) he later apologized for it. (better than most.)

[Ken]

Is that the same Scott Ritter who is a convicted pedophile and sexual predator? Who was convicted on 5 felony counts and 2 misdemeanor counts for sex crimes? And who is trying to rehabilitate his reputation by becoming a Russian mouthpiece and spending his time on Russian state TV? Since no western media outlets want to touch him with a 10 foot pole?

[temporal1]

Is that the same Scott Ritter who is a convicted pedophile and sexual predator? Who was convicted on 5 felony counts and 2 misdemeanor counts for sex crimes? And who is trying to rehabilitate his reputation by becoming a Russian mouthpiece and spending his time on Russian state TV? Since no western media outlets want to touch him with a 10 foot pole?

are you suggesting he’s a MAP?! well, then, no problem.
of course i have no idea, no more than i know of your life’s misdeeds.

i don’t question he would be under focused attack by “western media,” gov agencies, politicians ..
thus making BOTH sides deserving of serious scrutiny.

“western media” supports+promotes all manner evil, they have poor reputations, themselves; pretending to stand on higher ground is, at best, shaky. the public is used to it, tho. top-down.

the last 15min or so of the video speak to vast wrongs of politicians+media that lead to so much death+destruction.

1) i condemn pedophilia/MAPS.
2) i do not accept politicians+media as trustworthy, above accountability. every human endeavor requires accountability.

[Ken]

Is that the same Scott Ritter who is a convicted pedophile and sexual predator? Who was convicted on 5 felony counts and 2 misdemeanor counts for sex crimes? And who is trying to rehabilitate his reputation by becoming a Russian mouthpiece and spending his time on Russian state TV? Since no western media outlets want to touch him with a 10 foot pole?

are you suggesting he’s a MAP?! well, then, no problem.
of course i have no idea, no more than i know of your life’s misdeeds.

i don’t question he would be under focused attack by “western media,” gov agencies, politicians ..
thus making BOTH sides deserving of serious scrutiny.

“western media” supports+promotes all manner evil, they have poor reputations, themselves; pretending to stand on higher ground is, at best, shaky. the public is used to it, tho. top-down.

the last 15min or so of the video speak to vast wrongs of politicians+media that lead to so much death+destruction.

1) i condemn pedophilia/MAPS.
2) i do not accept politicians+media as trustworthy, above accountability. every human endeavor requires accountability.

He was convicted of multiple felony counts of soliciting young girls on the internet and exposing himself to them on web cams and such. It was heavily covered in media when it happened because of his former notoriety as a UN weapons inspector.

He is the kind of person who makes it unsafe for kids to use the internet.

[temporal1]

i would prefer “kids” be denied the internet. i suspect a “net” loss.
reports are, tech-billionaires agree, and withhold their own children from access.

[Bootstrap]

Sometimes war crimes actually are war crimes. And sometimes fake and fraudulent referendums actually are fake, fraudulent and illegal.

Just not when Democrats do it.

Have a think about this rhetorical move. It makes it almost impossible to focus on evidence one way or another because everything is just a partisan food fight, as though facts and ethics don't matter at all. As Christians, is that really the way we want to discuss these things?

Russia really is the invader here. They really have been targeting the civilian population. There is no way on earth that they could have had a free and fair election under the circumstances. Why all the eagerness to justify war mongers who commit blatant war crimes?

And if you really don't like propaganda or deep states or warmongering or elites who take advantage of the general population, why on earth would you support Putin, defending him so vociferously? Isn't Putin's Russia a perfect example of a deep state?

[temporal1]

Falco’s words in another topic can be readily altered to apply in lots of topics:

I can't make heads or tails of what you think .. .. (or what you think I think) .. ..

You'll have to be more specific. What exactly is your argument with me?

It reminds of the “Never Trump” phenomena.
For those in the Never Trump camp, anything short of “vociferous” hate of Trump is interpretted as idol-worship, when, in fact, esp on this forum, DJT is rarely referenced without conditional words, clearly+vociferously stating a non-idol-worship stance. Ignored.

From Feb 24, some present have “done the unthinkable,” by asking questions about the West’s, the Left-West’s, and U.S. involvement that may have led to the invasion, or provoked it? - Could the invasion have been prevented? Could resolution been accomplished early-on? Turns out, there are experienced, respected diplomats who warned about this - for years prior. Ignored.

This is worth consideration.
It brings more questions about, why would any in the West WANT a hot war?!
Who are the winners? (Let’s not pretend there are no winners.)

It’s overly simplistic to use the often useful analogy of, “a woman doesn’t deserve to be raped because of her skimpy clothing,”
or, “a man doesn’t deserve to be robbed because he’s wearing an expensive watch in a crime-prone area.”

Possibly a better analogy would be of dirty gang wars in inner cities: No clean hands. No fairy tales.

This is hardly “eagerness to justify” Putin.
It’s attempting to reject propaganda - that’s leading to a hot war, based on, “It’s ok to fight back - the other guy started it.”

It’s easy to fall for it. The U.S./Congress loves it! $$$$ “We’re the good guys!” Bomb away!