Coronavirus Outbreak

[justme]

Valerie is correct that a healthy nutritious diet including important micro-nutrients like zinc matters for recovering from an illness like a cold. The modern American diet should be avoided at all costs, and indeed is usually what makes people sick in the first place.

it is so interesting watching folks change their minds over the course of time.
i remember being told that vitamin c and vitamin d would not help me if i got covid.

[Valerie]

Valerie is correct that a healthy nutritious diet including important micro-nutrients like zinc matters for recovering from an illness like a cold. The modern American diet should be avoided at all costs, and indeed is usually what makes people sick in the first place.

it is so interesting watching folks charnge their minds over the course of time.
i remember being told that vitamin c and vitamin d would not help me if i got covid.

They are correct if you don't take the proper dosage of vitamin c and vitamin D3. There is a difference in what amount you take before getting covid and what you would take to fight covid. Although it's best to get in foods, it is very difficult to get the proper amount that you need from foods because our food sources are so compromised these days.

To fight covid, one should take 2,000 to 4,000 mg a day if tolerated digestively.

D3 is the go to supplement too- however for proper absorption of vitamin D3, one should take fish oil or other healthy fat, omega-3 is a good one. But if you're taking high doses of vitamin D3 like you need to fight covid you need to add vitamin A and vitamin K2. To fight covid, one needs 5,000-10,000 IU but when you take that high dosage, you NEED the A & K2.

Really there is a lengthy list of supplements to help fight it. If you have a mild case, most people can get through without the lengthy list, it all depends on how badly you have covid symptoms in order to keep you from the hospital.

At this point I'm sure some are just rolling their eyes and saying just get the free shot.

It's also very important to not have inflammation in your body. Most Americans are inflamed because of their diets. Everyone should learn how to keep from having an inflamed body, what to avoid and what to intake because it will help keep you from getting sick. Interestingly enough when one really learns about nutrition and what to do to avoid viruses, so much of it is also applicable to preventing cancer. Of course there are things in our environment that can contribute to cancer, but that is why it's so important to know what nutrients to consume to prevent virus or cancer, they kind of go hand in hand. Antioxidants.

As a cashier, I totally get why America is so sick. Sugar is a number one cause of inflammation and the way I see people stalk their refrigerators/freezers and cupboards just grieves me, and if I have the opportunity to be close enough to share with people I know, I have found that they just don't want to give up what they don't want to give up

[haithabu]

Valerie is correct that a healthy nutritious diet including important micro-nutrients like zinc matters for recovering from an illness like a cold. The modern American diet should be avoided at all costs, and indeed is usually what makes people sick in the first place.

it is so interesting watching folks charnge their minds over the course of time.
i remember being told that vitamin c and vitamin d would not help me if i got covid.

They are correct if you don't take the proper dosage of vitamin c and vitamin D3. There is a difference in what amount you take before getting covid and what you would take to fight covid. Although it's best to get in foods, it is very difficult to get the proper amount that you need from foods because our food sources are so compromised these days.

To fight covid, one should take 2,000 to 4,000 mg a day if tolerated digestively.

D3 is the go to supplement too- however for proper absorption of vitamin D3, one should take fish oil or other healthy fat, omega-3 is a good one. But if you're taking high doses of vitamin D3 like you need to fight covid you need to add vitamin A and vitamin K2. To fight covid, one needs 5,000-10,000 IU but when you take that high dosage, you NEED the A & K2.

Really there is a lengthy list of supplements to help fight it. If you have a mild case, most people can get through without the lengthy list, it all depends on how badly you have covid symptoms in order to keep you from the hospital.

At this point I'm sure some are just rolling their eyes and saying just get the free shot.

It's also very important to not have inflammation in your body. Most Americans are inflamed because of their diets. Everyone should learn how to keep from having an inflamed body, what to avoid and what to intake because it will help keep you from getting sick. Interestingly enough when one really learns about nutrition and what to do to avoid viruses, so much of it is also applicable to preventing cancer. Of course there are things in our environment that can contribute to cancer, but that is why it's so important to know what nutrients to consume to prevent virus or cancer, they kind of go hand in hand. Antioxidants.

As a cashier, I totally get why America is so sick. Sugar is a number one cause of inflammation and the way I see people stalk their refrigerators/freezers and cupboards just grieves me, and if I have the opportunity to be close enough to share with people I know, I have found that they just don't want to give up what they don't want to give up

Taking adequate supplements has additional benefits beyond preventing Covid. In the 19 months that my wife and I have been taking C, D and Quercetin with zinc we have had no viral illness even though she was previously the first to come down with any cold or flu making the rounds. The exception is the recurring cold sores which she used to get like clockwork every 3-4 months; she recently had a mild short lived case with the change in season, her first in a year and a half.

[haithabu]

My son visited a doctor about his knee the other day and had a revealing conversation. He asked "I know some people who definitely won't vaccinate so they are taking horse Ivermectin. I'm afraid that it is unsafe. Is there anything preventing you from prescribing them human Ivermectin since that can do no harm and just might help?"

He was testing the rumour that Alberta doctors are not allowed to prescribe Ivermectin for anything other than scabies.

The doc looked uncomfortable and replied "There may be some other doctors who might but I won't because it doesn't work."

"Well, in that case is there anything you would recommend that they take for prophylaxis or early treatment to mitigate their risk?"

The doctor did not answer.

This is the story of the pandemic. Complete abdication of the medical field in terms of prevention and early treatment. How hard is it to say "Tell them to at least take Vitamin C and D?"

[justme]

Taking adequate supplements has additional benefits beyond preventing Covid. In the 19 months that my wife and I have been taking C, D and Quercetin with zinc we have had no viral illness even though she was previously the first to come down with any cold or flu making the rounds. The exception is the recurring cold sores which she used to get like clockwork every 3-4 months; she recently had a mild short lived case with the change in season, her first in a year and a half.

my story is very similar, haithabu

i'm a believer in Vitamin D3. and now Vitamin C.

here's my story.
in late 2014 i was diagnosed with lyme, and then in early 2015, with ITP. i say the 2 are related, and it's only been recently that my hematologist has agreed with me. because of the ITP, i've been on prednisone ever since. prednisone is an immuno-suppressant. (prednisone isn't fun. at all)

i used to get every respiratory infection that came along. nasty snotting head colds that ended up in my chest. at least twice a year. someone had a cold? i'd get it. without fail. and then in the course of testing for lyme, my vit d levels were also tested, and they were way low. i was told that most people w lyme have low vit d levels. and i've been on vit D3 ever since. recently i realized that i've gone several years without a respiratory infection. work colleagues can be coughing, and i've not caught it.

about a year ago, dr carter told me there has been some research indicating that Vitamin C may be helpful for ITP. he'd like me to try 1000 mg bid. well, sure, i'll do that. that's a whole lot better than taking chemo drugs to try to control the itp. my numbers used to fluctuate wildly up and down. the first thing that i noticed about 3 months into it, was that my numbers were staying about 50. which is "safe." normal is 140, but 50 is considered "safe". most hemo's don't treat until a person is less than 50. and then after a few months they went up to 148, next month, same. next month same. i was ecstatic. and then of course, came the mandatory flu vaccine this fall. so i made sure to have labs done just prior to the vaccine, and when i got symptoms, yup, i was back down in the 40's again. went back up on the prednisone just a bit, and i'm back in the 140's range again for the past several months. consistently.

i'm a believer in Vitamin D3 and Vitamin C.

i may need to add zinc to my regimen.

[nett]

A little bit of rough language, but felt it was important to post.

I've heard this from a lot of medical professionals. It's hard to believe that something this serious could be kept "under the mat" as that doctor says.

[nett]

Interesting take, sums up some of what I've been trying to say.

https://brownstone.org/articles/governm ... the-virus/

the best way to mitigate the inevitable damage would be to shield the vulnerable and let the virus burn through those to whom it posed little statistical risk. After some temporary pain, herd immunity would have been achieved in a matter of months and life would have returned to normal.

But would our overlords listen to logic, science, and common sense? Of course not. Instead, they went all-in on lockdowns, then mask mandates, and now leaky vaccines & vaccine mandates – none of which has worked nearly as advertised. The lockdowns ‘worked’ for a while, but they couldn’t be sustained. The mask mandates never did anything at all. And although they still are protecting people in the U.S. against severe illness and death, the vaccine program seems to be failing on a massive scale, going in a matter of months from “a path to normality” to “Your vaccine protects me but the vaccinated can still get and transmit Covid so we still have to wear a mask indefinitely, yet we still have to force everyone to get a vaccine so everyone is safe, or something.”

[haithabu]

That looks like a completely bogus graph. I don't know where you got it. But you can surf yourself over to the actual Israeli Ministry of Health Covid Dashboard which your graph says is the source and find nothing at all that resembles that data. It is actually the exact opposite. It is right here. Any of you can go straight to the source and not rely on sources that appear to be distorting or falsifying the data: https://datadashboard.health.gov.il/COV ... m=referral

You have to use the raw hebrew data to get fatality rate for severe cases. It's not a generalized death rate. It's showing that there is something going with boosters, probably why the FDA advisory panel defied Biden and Fauci, and recommended against them.

So what is your source? Where did you actually find that graph?

And no, that is most definitely NOT why the FDA recommended against boosters for the general population but only for health care workers and the elderly and vulnerable.

I have just assumed that the FDA decision was because they are belately following Dr. Vanden Bossche's advice that use of a leaky vaccine should be limited to minimize the emergence of escaped variants. Of course they can't admit they were wrong but they can avoid making the same mistake in future.

[Ken]

Interesting take, sums up some of what I've been trying to say.

https://brownstone.org/articles/governm ... the-virus/

the best way to mitigate the inevitable damage would be to shield the vulnerable and let the virus burn through those to whom it posed little statistical risk. After some temporary pain, herd immunity would have been achieved in a matter of months and life would have returned to normal.

But would our overlords listen to logic, science, and common sense? Of course not. Instead, they went all-in on lockdowns, then mask mandates, and now leaky vaccines & vaccine mandates – none of which has worked nearly as advertised. The lockdowns ‘worked’ for a while, but they couldn’t be sustained. The mask mandates never did anything at all. And although they still are protecting people in the U.S. against severe illness and death, the vaccine program seems to be failing on a massive scale, going in a matter of months from “a path to normality” to “Your vaccine protects me but the vaccinated can still get and transmit Covid so we still have to wear a mask indefinitely, yet we still have to force everyone to get a vaccine so everyone is safe, or something.”

The problem with your proposal is that we have never once in history achieved herd immunity from a viral disease without the use of vaccines. Not once. Even the Spanish flu, which was a combination viral and bacterial infection was not eradicated through herd immunity. By 1919 it had mutated into less deadly forms more or less equivalent to the common flue and is still with us today.

Every other viral disease which we have beaten, from smallpox to polio, was accomplished with vaccines. And prior to modern medicine and vaccines, viral diseases just lingered endemic in the population causing continual and repeated outbreaks over decades and centuries.

And in any event, how do you actually shield the vulnerable and for how long would they need to be shielded? Years? Every time there is a new outbreak?

[Ken]

My son visited a doctor about his knee the other day and had a revealing conversation. He asked "I know some people who definitely won't vaccinate so they are taking horse Ivermectin. I'm afraid that it is unsafe. Is there anything preventing you from prescribing them human Ivermectin since that can do no harm and just might help?"

He was testing the rumour that Alberta doctors are not allowed to prescribe Ivermectin for anything other than scabies.

The doc looked uncomfortable and replied "There may be some other doctors who might but I won't because it doesn't work."

"Well, in that case is there anything you would recommend that they take for prophylaxis or early treatment to mitigate their risk?"

The doctor did not answer.

This is the story of the pandemic. Complete abdication of the medical field in terms of prevention and early treatment. How hard is it to say "Tell them to at least take Vitamin C and D?"

Complete abdication of the medical field in terms of prevention?

We have 3 effective vaccines here in the US and there are a variety of others in use around the world. In terms of preventing Covid I will take my chances with the vaccine over an endless daily or weekly regimen of Ivermectin any day. If people don’t want the actual prevention that is on them. Is it also the responsibility of doctors to come up with a polio preventative for those who refuse the polio vaccine? But if you want your Ivermectin it is easy enough to find. I have some Heartgard in my garage that I give to my dog for heart worms. It is just Ivermectin.

And in any event, the doctor in question was correct in not providing medical advice to patients who aren’t under his care. Doctors should not be providing medical advice to “I have a friend….” The correct answer is to tell the friend to seek medical care if he/she has medical issues. Not to provide 3rd hand medical advice to a patient you have never seen.