Bootstrap wrote:appleman2006 wrote:I think this thread was just looking for confirmation with no buts. Nothing more and nothing less. I think admitting and doing that might go a long way to starting that next conversation.
Do you have a simple question that you would like a simple answer to?
I've said I'm against abortion. I've said this law looks really bad. I don't see any
buts in those statements. I've been saying the same kinds of things for decades, not just here, but consistently everywhere.
What exactly are you looking for? I really don't think abortion is what we disagree about.
i can’t speak for appleman, or ragpicker, and would not want to try.
(for me) a litmus test here would be refusing to vote for candidates that openly support+promote gov policies, protections+funding for abortion, now leading into infanticide.
“i’m against it,”
but, “i voted for it.”
for those on this forum who do not vote, encouraging support (and, thus, even votes) for such candidates is equivalent. (i.e., i anticipate this will be how Jesus will view it.)
to speak with disdain about “conservatives” while favoring present-day liberals, is, frankly, hard to fathom.
i cannot imagine this:
Jesus: you respect the sanctity of life?
Sinner: yes!
Jesus: you voted for abortion?
Sinner: yes, but i didn’t agree with it.
Jesus: i see. well, then.
i know this is a tough one for many Christians.
for as much effort as Catholics put into prolife work all over the world, for many, this remains a big problem. as far as i know, Catholics vote, or have no church restrictions regarding voting.
for me, by 2016, both obama and hillary had openly stated abortion as a primary party platform.
i’m not a card carrying party member, never have been, so, maybe it was easier for me to simply accept them at their word, AND, i was GRATEFUL for their candor!
you see, in the past, most politicians just lie or beat around the bush about so many important matters, it’s easy to be confused.
they removed all doubt. and, they/their party have not budged on those declarations.
honesty in politics. impressive. now, if people will just believe them at their word.