Detecting the next pandemic

[R7ehr]

I hope he didn't die from Covid. He stopped participating on the forum when members of his community or family were getting hospitalized. The coincidental timing of his disappearance doesn't look good.

i worried about that, too.
oj posted somewhere he was on FB. that was awhile back. not ancient, tho.

he wasn’t ever a high volume poster. i just wish him the best. and would love a revisit.

His FB account is alive and well, so I suspect he is too.

Thank you for that. I didn’t like the uncertainty. I’m much relieved and happy to hear that.

[temporal1]

i worried about that, too.
oj posted somewhere he was on FB. that was awhile back. not ancient, tho.

he wasn’t ever a high volume poster. i just wish him the best. and would love a revisit.

His FB account is alive and well, so I suspect he is too.

Thank you for that. I didn’t like the uncertainty. I’m much relieved and happy to hear that.

yeah. now what about Knight?
last i hard from him, if i recall, was spring of 2020 (?) the pandemic was raging, all of education turned upside down.
did his work survive? did he? vanished.

[Dan Z]

In the Fauci thread, I mentioned that Congress does have an important oversight role for the labs that track new diseases that might cause pandemics.

If the first number of responses to the OP are any indication (and I suspect they are), unfortunately, at the moment it feels like much of the world (at least North America) is primed to resist any coordinated response to the next pandemic - which could be teeing up some devastating results.

Over a million Americans died as a result of COVID - yet government overreach, poor crisis mismanagement, political & religious opportunism, scientific quackery, and base-level corruption have all resulted in a cynical and unmanageable context in which the next pandemic will emerge - at least for a generation.

A few thoughts:

• 1) I hope the medical and scientific infrastructure in other parts of the world (maybe Europe) is intact enough to detect the emergence of the next pandemic in time to facilitate an effective response among those inclined to respond civilly and rationally. I don't believe the US will be in a position to provide early warning with the CDC being gutted and politicised as it has been.
  
  2) I hope there is enough economic incentive to muster a rapid vaccine response from within the pharmaceutical world (again, I don't expect the US government will be able to play a leading role here any more).
  
  3) It will be up to individuals and families to respond to a new pandemic as they see fit - which is probably the way things should have been in the first place, especially in an individualistic society such as ours. Some folks will do little or nothing - and it may cost them physically. That's their prerogative. Some will take extreme mitigation measures - and it may cost them socially and economically. That's their prerogative as well.

Next time (I hope to not see a next time) I plan on spending less time thinking about the actions of others outside of my realm of responsibility, and simply do what makes sense for my family and me. If the pandemic is virulent, I expect to socially distance, to reluctantly wear a mask in crowded settings (I hate those things), practice healthy hygiene, get a reliable vaccine as soon as its available, and follow the treatment recommendations of my doctor if I get sick.

And most importantly, I plan to seek first the Kingdom of God!

[barnhart]

I agree with DanZ.

[JohnH]

1) I hope the medical and scientific infrastructure in other parts of the world (maybe Europe) is intact enough to detect the emergence of the next pandemic in time to facilitate an effective response among those inclined to respond civilly and rationally. I don't believe the US will be in a position to provide early warning with the CDC being gutted and politicised as it has been.

I highly doubt Europe will be accomplishing much of anything, considering their near-abandonment of leadership in fields like AI, which I would imagine will be at the absolute forefront of detecting and dealing with a future pandemic (and probably be the technology that creates it, too). So far, China and America are the only nations showing leadership in the field of AI really at all. American labs have some staff deployed in the UK. Singapore runs a lot of datacentres, but is mostly in the Chinese ecosystem.

2) I hope there is enough economic incentive to muster a rapid vaccine response from within the pharmaceutical world (again, I don't expect the US government will be able to play a leading role here any more).

I sure hope not, if it gets the same poor-quality results as last time. I particularly hope that a future vaccine isn't made with aborted baby parts.

3) It will be up to individuals and families to respond to a new pandemic as they see fit - which is probably the way things should have been in the first place, especially in an individualistic society such as ours. Some folks will do little or nothing - and it may cost them physically. That's their prerogative. Some will take extreme mitigation measures - and it may cost them socially and economically. That's their prerogative as well.

Yes, that is how it should have been, and if it had been, a lot of the outcomes folks with your perspective don't like wouldn't have happened. Here are some things not to do:

- Threaten people that they can't work anymore, have their children go to school, or basically exist in society at all if they refuse a new, untested, experimental vaccine
- Refuse to respect people's religious beliefs or convictions at all, including about not wanting to inject themselves with aborted baby parts
- Not shut down churches, which should be the first line of defence in a pandemic. Nothing is more important on this planet than Christians assembling together and worshipping together. I found Canada's approach particularly distasteful when they were busy arresting pastors whilst strip clubs and casinos were allowed to stay open.

Next time (I hope to not see a next time) I plan on spending less time thinking about the actions of others outside of my realm of responsibility, and simply do what makes sense for my family and me. If the pandemic is virulent, I expect to socially distance, to reluctantly wear a mask in crowded settings (I hate those things), practice healthy hygiene, get a reliable vaccine as soon as its available, and follow the treatment recommendations of my doctor if I get sick.

Of course, it may be for a future pandemic that socially distancing either makes no difference or makes it worse, that masking makes no difference or makes it worse, and that excessive "hygeine" prolongs the problem. But we wouldn't want to let too many facts get in the way, now, would we?

And most importantly, I plan to seek first the Kingdom of God!

I am disappointed by just how many claim to have been seeking the kingdom of God, but clearly had no qualms at all about promoting and benefiting from the wretched practice of abortion and research on live aborted baby tissue if it meant they thought they could save their own hides. I truly believe this is a moment when God saw the world sorted into the "sheep and the goats", but I also believe Christ's mercy can cover all sins - it might be a good idea, however, to avail one's self of that mercy and at least be able to admit one is wrong, instead of sitting in a position of sneering and looking down at others who didn't decide to do everything the way you thought they should have.

[ohio jones]

...sneering and looking down at others who didn't decide to do everything the way you thought they should have.

We should all be careful not to do that.

[Judas Maccabeus]

Now, five plus years out, people seem to forget that so many were dead from this that we had refrigerator trucks at the loading dock of where I worked, just to hold the dead that the overwhelmed funeral homes could not get buried. And, yet, we have fault finding, Monday morning quarterbacking, and general conspiracy mongering, as we see above. Dan, some will never learn.

[Valerie]

Now, five plus years out, people seem to forget that so many were dead from this that we had refrigerator trucks at the loading dock of where I worked, just to hold the dead that the overwhelmed funeral homes could not get buried. And, yet, we have fault finding, Monday morning quarterbacking, and general conspiracy mongering, as we see above. Dan, some will never learn.

Yes, I fear if we have an other pandemic some people will have not learned to not trust whatever they’re being told. The Senate hearings that I had been watching recently with the Fauci hearings reveal that what you call conspiracy theories have been confirmed as actual scientific and statistical effectiveness of that which was deemed ineffective.

You do realize there are globalist that readily admit and have speeches about the necessity of reducing the world‘s population. (To me they are quite evil)

I have a 29 year-old niece in England who to this day wears a mask everywhere she goes. She had no reason as she was a very healthy 23-year-old when this happened. This fear has caused her her future marriage as her fiancé can no longer engage in wearing a mask constantly. When she comes home to California for Christmas, she meets all visitors at the door with a Covid test. The whole family realizes the damage that was done to her because of the fear mongering with Covid.

Next time I will trust again, the other scientist with other effective ways to address the Covid or whatever pandemic comes. They were dismissed and banned and censored and yet at the Senate hearings there is much evidence that many lives were cost because they wouldn’t consider alternative ways of addressing the virus. ALL the facts need to be considered before calling people conspiracy theorists- a man with experience is not at the mercy of a man with an argument. Clearly the way it was handled had many mistakes to learn from. Plus the people will (rightly) question people like Fauci.

[temporal1]

.. Dan, some will never learn.

nothing i see is convincing any profound changes have occured, on the ground level, or in overall systems.
msm and social media overall strongly promote “no memory” of anything. alongside “no balance” in reporting.
with little exception.

profitable for them, sure.
sad, believing in the past, human memories were impressive, and value was placed on memory.

a huge number will not feel they have a choice, they will be herded by restrictions+demands of school and workplace.
in other words, repeat 2020.

personally, in the chaos, i tried to listen to all sides available, then i followed my doctors’ recommendations.
because i was older, at higher risk, i felt “what do i have to lose?” ..
my family followed school+work instructions. i don’t think they felt they had a choice. we didn’t discuss it.
they told me of their various bouts with it.

my personal history is great appreciation of vaccines, i remember life before vaccines.
i believe in quarantines, and mindful physical choices, like frequent hand-washing, proven over the long haul.

i respect that ALL human decisions can be exploited and abused, so, yes, the numbers+types of vaccines need to be proven and justified. same for quarantines, etc.

before the pandemic, i was bothered by the INCREASED NUMBERS of vaccines given infants+children.
2 aspirins might be just right for a mild headache. the entire bottle: NO.

i don’t interpret a couple of pages of this forum to be a reflection of what’s going on in the world.
certainly, it reflects some of it, not definitive.

[Judas Maccabeus]

.. Dan, some will never learn.

nothing i see is convincing any profound changes have occured, on the ground level, or in overall systems.
msm and social media overall strongly promote “no memory” of anything. alongside “no balance” in reporting.
with little exception.

profitable for them, sure.
sad, believing in the past, human memories were impressive, and value was placed on memory.

a huge number will not feel they have a choice, they will be herded by restrictions+demands of school and workplace.
in other words, repeat 2020.

personally, in the chaos, i tried to listen to all sides available, then i followed my doctors’ recommendations.
because i was older, at higher risk, i felt “what do i have to lose?” ..
my family followed school+work instructions. i don’t think they felt they had a choice. we didn’t discuss it.
they told me of their various bouts with it.

my personal history is great appreciation of vaccines, i remember life before vaccines.
i believe in quarantines, and mindful physical choices, like frequent hand-washing, proven over the long haul.

i respect that ALL human decisions can be exploited and abused, so, yes, the numbers+types of vaccines need to be proven and justified. same for quarantines, etc.

before the pandemic, i was bothered by the INCREASED NUMBERS of vaccines given infants+children.
2 aspirins might be just right for a mild headache. the entire bottle: NO.

i don’t interpret a couple of pages of this forum to be a reflection of what’s going on in the world.
certainly, it reflects some of it, not definitive.

Guess you have never heard of Subacute sclerosing panencephalitis? Infants who get measles get it 5-10 years after infection. I saw like one case, early in my career. Measles vaccine virtually eliminated it. Just recently I saw a case report of a new case, and I suspect it will be the first of many. Infants who get measles are particularly at risk, and because of antivaxers, it is circulating again. It is uniformly fatal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subacute_ ... cephalitis

Cervical Cancer rates are way down in the UK. Interestingly enough, head and neck cancer rates are down as well in girls. It seems the same vaccine that protects from cervical cancer also protects from Head and Neck cancer. We were always told that most of that comes from smoking, but it seems that HPV may have the smoking gun. They have included boys in the vaccination campaign.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c621z28z138o

I won't even get into the Hep B controversy, but the rates of liver cancer in people infected are sky-high.

I lost two uncles to a vaccine-preventable disease. I never knew them, but if free Diphtheria vaccine was available prior to WWII, they would still be alive. Wander through any 19th-century cemetery. The number of young children buried will astound you.

So repeating the mistakes of the pre-vaccine era is simple insanity.