Detecting the next pandemic

[Grace]

I can’t responsibly let this be said without challenging this. Ivermectin, in particular, is not effective in treating COVID, full stop. Well run double blind studies show little or no effect.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2115869#

I just hope you never get sick, and opt for social media or politically based treatment. The results could be catastrophic.

I had Covid twice. The doctor prescribed Paxlovid the first time, and it didn't help a thing. It just made my mouth taste like I imagined the organic waste matter emitted from the cows on the farm I grew up on, tasted like. The second time, I just toughed it out without going to any doctor. So, no I didn't follow any social media suggestions.

[Valerie]

Obviously there isn't a consensus for the origins of it for sure, but a preponderance of evidence is that COVID-19 has signs of being man-made, although it may have been a result of experiments with originally zoonotic viruses.



Did this oversight not exist in 2019 and prior? As I recall, there were a great deal of "experts", bureaucracies, grants, and funding for these sort of things. We still got COVID-19 despite all of that. I don't trust the people who created a problem to be able to make it not happen the next time.

Fixing blame is actually pretty important. Part of the problem was the whole scheme of "trust science" and "trust the experts", when in reality such people were simply focused on renewing their grant funding, funding expensive programs, and enhancing their own careers.

Moreover, I don't see why this has to be something the U.S. government does at all. The world got along just fine for thousands of years without people like Dr. Fauci running their mad-scientist labs where they experimented with infesting beagles with flies and grafting aborted-baby scalps to rats.

Agreed. All it takes is a mad scientist like Fauci and a complicit government. People in general no longer trust the scientists like Fauci and complicit government leaders. During Covid the government shut down doctors and meds that actually reduced Covid, such as Ivermectin, Hydroxychloroquine, and Monoclonal antibodies. Doctors were using Monoclonal antibodies with covid patients and having great results, until the Biden administration started controlling them. The problem was that these medications weren’t expensive and didn’t garner great profits.

https://dailycaller.com/2026/07/19/this ... hat-wrong/

I can’t responsibly let this be said without challenging this. Ivermectin, in particular, is not effective in treating COVID, full stop. Well run double blind studies show little or no effect.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2115869#

I just hope you never get sick, and opt for social media or politically based treatment. The results could be catastrophic.

As a matter of fact that the Senate hearing last week with Fauci, they had a huge stack of reports of people that benefited from ivermectin during the Covid pandemic

[temporal1]

I can’t responsibly let this be said without challenging this. Ivermectin, in particular, is not effective in treating COVID, full stop. Well run double blind studies show little or no effect.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2115869#

I just hope you never get sick, and opt for social media or politically based treatment. The results could be catastrophic.

I had Covid twice. The doctor prescribed Paxlovid the first time, and it didn't help a thing. It just made my mouth taste like I imagined the organic waste matter emitted from the cows on the farm I grew up on, tasted like. The second time, I just toughed it out without going to any doctor. So, no I didn't follow any social media suggestions.

i followed forum discussions, then added some supplements, PLUS, continued our long habit of hand-washing, my family+i followed doctors’ orders wrt vaccines, masking, distancing. the local shops employed all manner of cleaning, face shields, distancng requirements. school teachers cleaned desks, etc., as part of their new responsbilities.

employers+schools had requirements wrt vaccines.

i read haithabu’s posts on it. and Valerie’s, they were both pretty specific about supplements.
i had/have IVM on hand, i presume it’s past the exp date now.

i started walking a lot with hopes my lungs would be strengthened, in the event.

i haven’t had it. my family has had at least one bout each.

P.537 / Coronavirus Outbreak (a good example of forum discussion)
https://forum.mennonet.com/viewtopic.ph ... start=5360

i’ve continued with the supplements, hand-washing, i can’t walk the distances i did before, i’ve added stair climbing when possible.
i feel like all this has served me well so far, i’ll continue.

if i’m coughing-sneezing, i’ll still wear a mask as courtesy to others. probably occasional allergies, masks serve as kind of a warnng.
i don’t think they hurt anything-much. esp for brief errands.

[temporal1]

i haven’t had it. my family has had at least one bout each.

i should add, last winter, Dec-Feb, i was with my family, in January, they all became very ill over a few weeks, i was glad i was there, i helped with everything possible, i was busy!
Even their horse was very ill, the vet warned he might not recover. Lots of driving involved. Thankfully, i’m able.

i didn’t get sick.
i had a few days of mild coughing, i think. Nothing to compare with the others.

i kept thinking, if i’d been as sick as they, i might not have recovered.
i take the supplements.

they’re a nuisance, plus the expense.
some days i’m tempted to stop.

we keep zinc lozenges on hand for mild sore throats-coughs. they seem effective in preventing worsenng symptoms.

[JohnH]

Well, except the last pandemic wasn't caused by zoonotic diseases, but rather was caused by idiotic research in a lab that was trying to come up with a super-virus in the name of doing research into the next zoonotic-caused pandemic.

Do you have a good solution for that problem?

Limit pathological virus research as smallpox has been limited. The Chinese in particular will never agree to that.

The U.S. government funding virus research in China is particularly insane. Especially to get around restrictions on such research in America.

[R7ehr]

i read haithabu’s posts on it.

I hope he didn't die from Covid. He stopped participating on the forum when members of his community or family were getting hospitalized. The coincidental timing of his disappearance doesn't look good.

[temporal1]

i read haithabu’s posts on it.

I hope he didn't die from Covid. He stopped participating on the forum when members of his community or family were getting hospitalized. The coincidental timing of his disappearance doesn't look good.

i worried about that, too.
oj posted somewhere he was on FB. that was awhile back. not ancient, tho.

he wasn’t ever a high volume poster. i just wish him the best. and would love a revisit.

[ohio jones]

i read haithabu’s posts on it.

I hope he didn't die from Covid. He stopped participating on the forum when members of his community or family were getting hospitalized. The coincidental timing of his disappearance doesn't look good.

i worried about that, too.
oj posted somewhere he was on FB. that was awhile back. not ancient, tho.

he wasn’t ever a high volume poster. i just wish him the best. and would love a revisit.

His FB account is alive and well, so I suspect he is too.

[Judas Maccabeus]

Agreed. All it takes is a mad scientist like Fauci and a complicit government. People in general no longer trust the scientists like Fauci and complicit government leaders. During Covid the government shut down doctors and meds that actually reduced Covid, such as Ivermectin, Hydroxychloroquine, and Monoclonal antibodies. Doctors were using Monoclonal antibodies with covid patients and having great results, until the Biden administration started controlling them. The problem was that these medications weren’t expensive and didn’t garner great profits.

https://dailycaller.com/2026/07/19/this ... hat-wrong/

I can’t responsibly let this be said without challenging this. Ivermectin, in particular, is not effective in treating COVID, full stop. Well run double blind studies show little or no effect.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2115869#

I just hope you never get sick, and opt for social media or politically based treatment. The results could be catastrophic.

As a matter of fact that the Senate hearing last week with Fauci, they had a huge stack of reports of people that benefited from ivermectin during the Covid pandemic

You mean claim to have benefited. Testimonials do not represent proof. Controlled double blind studies do.

Without a control group to compare it to, a testimonial is worthless as proof.

[Judas Maccabeus]

Well, except the last pandemic wasn't caused by zoonotic diseases, but rather was caused by idiotic research in a lab that was trying to come up with a super-virus in the name of doing research into the next zoonotic-caused pandemic.

Do you have a good solution for that problem?

Limit pathological virus research as smallpox has been limited. The Chinese in particular will never agree to that.

The U.S. government funding virus research in China is particularly insane. Especially to get around restrictions on such research in America.

I do not disagree with this position. China is they”Wild West” of biomedical research.