US Attacks Iran 2026

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JohnH wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2026 11:48 am
Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2026 11:43 am
ohio jones wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2026 11:00 pm
I had no idea Trump was Catholic.
It is my understanding he is Presbyterian, although he does not appear to have official membership. His wife is Catholic.
He has not claimed to be Christian at all.
Yes, that, is in fact the latest version, although in the past he has made such claims.
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Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2026 11:55 am
JohnH wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2026 11:48 am
Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2026 11:43 am

It is my understanding he is Presbyterian, although he does not appear to have official membership. His wife is Catholic.
He has not claimed to be Christian at all.
Yes, that, is in fact the latest version, although in the past he has made such claims.
He's one of those people who seems to have an appreciation for Christianity and since the first assassination attempt, does seem to believe in God, but has also said he certainly doesn't believe he's heaven-bound and doesn't seem to consider himself the same thing as what Christians are.

More honest than a lot of other Presidents who made a big show out of being a Methodist or whatever.
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JohnH wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2026 10:25 am
barnhart wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2026 9:44 am Chances of massive immigrant flows to Europe: 50%
Ah, there it is.

The real agenda of the progressive-left.
Hmmm? Huh? Far-right MAGA and/or Neo-con America is the one starting and prosecuting a war... another human induced tragedy that as past history shows, forces people to run for their lives... ie emigrate, etc. And if or when this happens it will be ALL the fault and responsibility of an American Republican far right president, administration and party who are commanding the armed forces which are DOING the physical actions that force people to flee somewhere...

Pinning this one on an "agenda of the progressive-left" makes no sense to me or with reality...
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Jazman wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2026 1:13 pm
JohnH wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2026 10:25 am
barnhart wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2026 9:44 am Chances of massive immigrant flows to Europe: 50%
Ah, there it is.

The real agenda of the progressive-left.
Hmmm? Huh? Far-right MAGA and/or Neo-con America is the one starting and prosecuting a war... another human induced tragedy that as past history shows, forces people to run for their lives... ie emigrate, etc. And if or when this happens it will be ALL the fault and responsibility of an American Republican far right president, administration and party who are commanding the armed forces which are DOING the physical actions that force people to flee somewhere...

Pinning this one on an "agenda of the progressive-left" makes no sense to me or with reality...
The agenda of the progressive left is to have massive migrations of people around the globe, including huge movements into western countries with generous welfare states (but also big movements between third world countries as well). Why they do this is left as an exercise to the reader.
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Ernie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2026 8:30 am
Robert wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2026 7:59 am I listened to the President's speech last night. Sounds like the conflict with Iran will wrap up soon. I see little indications this will be a long protracted conflict. I am intentionally not calling this a war because it has not been declared a war. Wording is important. I am trying to be truthful and precise, not sensational or exaggerate. In all honesty, this is not that large of a conflict if we look over the past 20-30 years of presidential military actions. Even Vietnam was never a declared war, but a military action. The last time the Congress declared war was WW2.
From Trump last night...
Never in the history of warfare has an enemy suffered such clear and devastating large-scale losses in a matter of weeks.
March 10
President Trump said, "I think the war is very complete, pretty much."
March 12
Reporter: You just said it is a little excursion, and you said it is a war. So which one is it?

President Trump: Well, it's both. It's an excursion that will keep us out of a war, and the war is going to be — for them it's a war, for us it turned out to be easier than we thought.
He can call it what he wants. I am using precise language intentionally. Congress has not declared war, so every action since 1942 has not been a war. It does not mean there was no loss or violence. It means Congress has not declared war, as per the Constitution.

The Vietnam "War" was not a war, but a military action that caused a lot of death and violence. Again, just using precise language.

The word war can dictate a formal action declared by Congress and can be used as slang to define a military action. I was trying to move away from the slang to clarify a little better. If it does not help you, I apologize, but it helps me look at things a little different and more clear.
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Jazman wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2026 1:13 pm if or when this happens it will be ALL the fault and responsibility of an American Republican far right president, administration and party who are commanding the armed forces which are DOING the physical actions that force people to flee somewhere...
I am sorry but they are not far right(conservative) enough for me. I want them to conserve more of our rights and money.
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Robert wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2026 7:48 pm
Jazman wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2026 1:13 pm if or when this happens it will be ALL the fault and responsibility of an American Republican far right president, administration and party who are commanding the armed forces which are DOING the physical actions that force people to flee somewhere...
I am sorry but they are not far right(conservative) enough for me. I want them to conserve more of our rights and money.
Best way to do that would be to shrink the military by 50%, and stop fighting/starting these warsadventures all over the globe.

That would save bundles.
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JohnH wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2026 1:40 pm
Jazman wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2026 1:13 pm
JohnH wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2026 10:25 am

Ah, there it is.

The real agenda of the progressive-left.
Hmmm? Huh? Far-right MAGA and/or Neo-con America is the one starting and prosecuting a war... another human induced tragedy that as past history shows, forces people to run for their lives... ie emigrate, etc. And if or when this happens it will be ALL the fault and responsibility of an American Republican far right president, administration and party who are commanding the armed forces which are DOING the physical actions that force people to flee somewhere...

Pinning this one on an "agenda of the progressive-left" makes no sense to me or with reality...
The agenda of the progressive left is to have massive migrations of people around the globe, including huge movements into western countries with generous welfare states (but also big movements between third world countries as well). Why they do this is left as an exercise to the reader.
Who is this progressive left that is forcing mass migrations of people around the globe? Did they start, perpetrate the civil war in Syria? Did they instigate, start, prolong the conflicts in Haiti, the Middle East, Africa, South or Central America?

I'm baffled or maybe feeling gaslit? ... and a whiff of great replacement conspiracy theory? I'm not sure why in this thread/topic this keeps coming up.

Do you believe a progressive left agenda/conspiracy started the current war with Iran so that there will be a mass migration of Iranians and/or other Middle Eastern people's to the 'West'?
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Robert wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2026 7:46 pm
Ernie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2026 8:30 am
Robert wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2026 7:59 am I listened to the President's speech last night. Sounds like the conflict with Iran will wrap up soon. I see little indications this will be a long protracted conflict. I am intentionally not calling this a war because it has not been declared a war. Wording is important. I am trying to be truthful and precise, not sensational or exaggerate. In all honesty, this is not that large of a conflict if we look over the past 20-30 years of presidential military actions. Even Vietnam was never a declared war, but a military action. The last time the Congress declared war was WW2.
From Trump last night...
Never in the history of warfare has an enemy suffered such clear and devastating large-scale losses in a matter of weeks.
March 10
President Trump said, "I think the war is very complete, pretty much."
March 12
Reporter: You just said it is a little excursion, and you said it is a war. So which one is it?

President Trump: Well, it's both. It's an excursion that will keep us out of a war, and the war is going to be — for them it's a war, for us it turned out to be easier than we thought.
He can call it what he wants. I am using precise language intentionally. Congress has not declared war, so every action since 1942 has not been a war. It does not mean there was no loss or violence. It means Congress has not declared war, as per the Constitution.

The Vietnam "War" was not a war, but a military action that caused a lot of death and violence. Again, just using precise language.

The word war can dictate a formal action declared by Congress and can be used as slang to define a military action. I was trying to move away from the slang to clarify a little better. If it does not help you, I apologize, but it helps me look at things a little different and more clear.
I get your point. If I understand it correctly, you are looking at it from a legislative branch point of view.

I'm looking at it from a historical and an executive branch point of view. The executive branch has renamed a department to Department of War, and it is doing the sorts of things that people do in wars and what Departments of War have done. If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
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Jazman wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2026 9:42 pm
JohnH wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2026 1:40 pm
Jazman wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2026 1:13 pm
Hmmm? Huh? Far-right MAGA and/or Neo-con America is the one starting and prosecuting a war... another human induced tragedy that as past history shows, forces people to run for their lives... ie emigrate, etc. And if or when this happens it will be ALL the fault and responsibility of an American Republican far right president, administration and party who are commanding the armed forces which are DOING the physical actions that force people to flee somewhere...

Pinning this one on an "agenda of the progressive-left" makes no sense to me or with reality...
The agenda of the progressive left is to have massive migrations of people around the globe, including huge movements into western countries with generous welfare states (but also big movements between third world countries as well). Why they do this is left as an exercise to the reader.
Who is this progressive left that is forcing mass migrations of people around the globe? Did they start, perpetrate the civil war in Syria? Did they instigate, start, prolong the conflicts in Haiti, the Middle East, Africa, South or Central America?

I'm baffled or maybe feeling gaslit? ... and a whiff of great replacement conspiracy theory? I'm not sure why in this thread/topic this keeps coming up.

Do you believe a progressive left agenda/conspiracy started the current war with Iran so that there will be a mass migration of Iranians and/or other Middle Eastern people's to the 'West'?
If so, three guesses about who gets blamed.
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