Cuban regime collapsing

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I don't like what the US is doing, it has nothing to do with humanity and all to do with control of a strategic area. That being said, the US doesn't do well helping other countries out of poverty.
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JohnH wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2026 3:44 pm
mike wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2026 1:55 pm
JohnH wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2026 1:14 pm

That’s been going on my whole life, but yes, I don’t have a huge problem with sanctions.

After all, if Communism works so well, then it should lead to prosperity without trade with the capitalist pig-dogs of America, right?
Yeah. I do agree that economic sanctions are better than bombs dropping. But it's still a form of coercion and is ultimately backed by US military might in addition to its economic power.
I choose not to do business with liquor stores, strip clubs, and firearm dealers who promote military styled weapons. Is this a form of “coercion”?

The US doesn’t let us do business with Russia either. Is that “coercion”? The US wants to limit how much money and supplies Russia can get from American businesses due to their never ending war against Ukraine. I think that’s reasonable.
No, it's not. But if you were to tell other people they are not allowed to do business with those places, or else you will stop doing business with them or will begin to charge them extra (tariffs) for all business they do with you, that would be coercion. That's what the US is doing.
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Soloist wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2026 4:00 pm I don't like what the US is doing, it has nothing to do with humanity and all to do with control of a strategic area. That being said, the US doesn't do well helping other countries out of poverty.
Viewing the world through a Manichaean lens, while fun and facile, is rarely ever accurate.
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mike wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2026 4:05 pm
JohnH wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2026 3:44 pm
mike wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2026 1:55 pm

Yeah. I do agree that economic sanctions are better than bombs dropping. But it's still a form of coercion and is ultimately backed by US military might in addition to its economic power.
I choose not to do business with liquor stores, strip clubs, and firearm dealers who promote military styled weapons. Is this a form of “coercion”?

The US doesn’t let us do business with Russia either. Is that “coercion”? The US wants to limit how much money and supplies Russia can get from American businesses due to their never ending war against Ukraine. I think that’s reasonable.
No, it's not. But if you were to tell other people they are not allowed to do business with those places, or else you will stop doing business with them or will begin to charge them extra (tariffs) for all business they do with you, that would be coercion. That's what the US is doing.
States gonna statecraft.
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Maybe Cuba will have to be the next state since Greenland and Canada are playing hard to get
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mike wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2026 7:33 pm Maybe Cuba will have to be the next state since Greenland and Canada are playing hard to get
As long as it is approved by fair election in Cuba, I would be pleased.
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HondurasKeiser wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2026 4:10 pm
Soloist wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2026 4:00 pm I don't like what the US is doing, it has nothing to do with humanity and all to do with control of a strategic area. That being said, the US doesn't do well helping other countries out of poverty.
Viewing the world through a Manichaean lens, while fun and facile, is rarely ever accurate.
For the less educated, can you explain what you mean?
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Strangely, Cuba is allowing FBI agents to enter the country to assist with a specific investigation.
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Soloist wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2026 8:02 pm
HondurasKeiser wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2026 4:10 pm
Soloist wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2026 4:00 pm I don't like what the US is doing, it has nothing to do with humanity and all to do with control of a strategic area. That being said, the US doesn't do well helping other countries out of poverty.
Viewing the world through a Manichaean lens, while fun and facile, is rarely ever accurate.
For the less educated, can you explain what you mean?
Thank you, I was going to ask as well.
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Soloist wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2026 8:02 pm
HondurasKeiser wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2026 4:10 pm
Soloist wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2026 4:00 pm I don't like what the US is doing, it has nothing to do with humanity and all to do with control of a strategic area. That being said, the US doesn't do well helping other countries out of poverty.
Viewing the world through a Manichaean lens, while fun and facile, is rarely ever accurate.
For the less educated, can you explain what you mean?
Using words like "nothing", "all", and making sweeping statements like "the U.S. doesn't do well helping other countries out of poverty." is a a very black and white/good and evil (Manichaean) way of looking at issues. Such statements elide a lot of nuance and a lot of history that may run counter to your claims. I don't like war any more than the next Mennonite, but when we speak of such things I think it's helpful to be a little more measured and little less bombastic.
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