Refugees and Immigration: What does good look like?

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JohnH wrote: ↑Fri Jan 30, 2026 9:30 am
JimFoxvog wrote: ↑Fri Jan 30, 2026 8:31 am
JohnH wrote: ↑Fri Jan 30, 2026 7:19 am Why would you want to change the way people think to make them think that immigration is necessarily good?
Why would a Christian want to reduce hate and prejudice?
Someone not wanting more immigration does not mean they engage in hate and prejudice.
Agreed. However, engaging in hate and prejudice seems to be the common way in which people argue against immigrants.
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JimFoxvog wrote: ↑Fri Jan 30, 2026 11:02 am Agreed. However, engaging in hate and prejudice seems to be the common way in which people argue against immigrants.
Yet that doesn't mean everyone who is opposed to increasing levels of immigration means their reason is hate and prejudice.

It gets very tiresome that arguing for an immigration policy similar to Europe or Canada means I have to rebut a presumption that I'm full of "hate and prejudice".
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JohnH wrote: ↑Fri Jan 30, 2026 11:04 am
JimFoxvog wrote: ↑Fri Jan 30, 2026 11:02 am Agreed. However, engaging in hate and prejudice seems to be the common way in which people argue against immigrants.
Yet that doesn't mean everyone who is opposed to increasing levels of immigration means their reason is hate and prejudice.

It gets very tiresome that arguing for an immigration policy similar to Europe or Canada means I have to rebut a presumption that I'm full of "hate and prejudice".
I think this due to the brainwashing rhetoric of the far left. It is their only hope to win elections to paint the picture of prejudice & hate of immigrants when WE ARE FOR LEGAL ENTRY out of LOVE for ALL concerned. For the record, it’s a known fact that immigrants that entered legally feel the same way about it.
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Valerie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 30, 2026 11:11 am I think this due to the brainwashing rhetoric of the far left. It is their only hope to win elections to paint the picture of prejudice & hate of immigrants when WE ARE FOR LEGAL ENTRY out of LOVE for ALL concerned. For the record, it’s a known fact that immigrants that entered legally feel the same way about it.
Let's try to keep politics out of it, and people who aren't participating here on MN, and just speak with each other?
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JohnH wrote: ↑Fri Jan 30, 2026 11:04 am
JimFoxvog wrote: ↑Fri Jan 30, 2026 11:02 am Agreed. However, engaging in hate and prejudice seems to be the common way in which people argue against immigrants.
Yet that doesn't mean everyone who is opposed to increasing levels of immigration means their reason is hate and prejudice.
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I agree. I am not claiming that anyone here fits that description.
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JohnH wrote: ↑Fri Jan 30, 2026 11:12 am
Valerie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 30, 2026 11:11 am I think this due to the brainwashing rhetoric of the far left. It is their only hope to win elections to paint the picture of prejudice & hate of immigrants when WE ARE FOR LEGAL ENTRY out of LOVE for ALL concerned. For the record, it’s a known fact that immigrants that entered legally feel the same way about it.
Let's try to keep politics out of it, and people who aren't participating here on MN, and just speak with each other?
Okay but it’s been political all along really imho.
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Valerie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 30, 2026 11:11 am WE ARE FOR LEGAL ENTRY out of LOVE for ALL concerned.
YES! The motive of LOVE must come first.

However, those who are running things are doing many things to hinder legal entry. Applying for asylum is legal, yet applicants are getting deported.

Can we stand together, increasing the quota for refugees and allowing people seeking asylum be in a place of safety?
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JimFoxvog wrote: ↑Fri Jan 30, 2026 11:18 am However, those who are running things are doing many things to hinder legal entry. Applying for asylum is legal, yet applicants are getting deported.
Applying for asylum does not mean automatically being granted asylum, and does not grant a right to stay.

It should be rather obvious why this is, particularly when attorneys advise clients to apply for asylum even if they don't really have a case.
Can we stand together, increasing the quota for refugees and allowing people seeking asylum be in a place of safety?
Why do we need to stand together to increase the amount coming in?

Would it not be better to focus more on those who are already here? America has a lot of problems with finding decent jobs and decent, affordable housing for the people already here.
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JohnH wrote: ↑Fri Jan 30, 2026 11:24 am Why do we need to stand together to increase the amount coming in?
I was responding to Valarie, who explained the motive well:
Valerie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 30, 2026 11:11 amWE ARE FOR LEGAL ENTRY out of LOVE for ALL concerned.
Why? Out of love.

Loving some people should not take away from loving other people.
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JohnH wrote: ↑Fri Jan 30, 2026 11:04 am
JimFoxvog wrote: ↑Fri Jan 30, 2026 11:02 am Agreed. However, engaging in hate and prejudice seems to be the common way in which people argue against immigrants.
Yet that doesn't mean everyone who is opposed to increasing levels of immigration means their reason is hate and prejudice.

It gets very tiresome that arguing for an immigration policy similar to Europe or Canada means I have to rebut a presumption that I'm full of "hate and prejudice".
I think we can look at this one post at a time. Some posts really do seem to promote very scary, very false stereotypes about refugees and immigrants. Most Germans or Canadians I know would find those posts objectionable. Most Germans or Canadians I know support their country's immigration policies.
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