Civil War-again?

[JimFoxvog]

If ICE withdraws, the violence stops. Why not do that?

YES!

This is exactly what the people and government of Minnesota are calling for. This is an occupation by hostile forces.

[JimFoxvog]

Jesus said of the last days “ because Lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold”. Lawlessness abounds when we justify lawlessness & give it a huge applaud as if it’s good.

Many voted to have a felon for President. As expected, he is a lawless one. Even some here applaud him as if it's good.

It's not surprising that he sends lawless forces to occupy areas that voted against him as vengeance.

[Valerie]

If he left his weapon and rounds of ammunition at home, he’d be alive. Common sense.

The weapon he was brandishing was a cell phone. Leaving it home, and not helping people who are pepper-sprayed might have saved his life. But helping people was his profession.

I doubt than leaving his gun home would have made a difference. If he didn't have one, the border patrol could have provided one for him after he was shot dead.

Look, thousands upon thousands of evil protestors are alive, they’re like wild animals, even biting off a finger! These people are sick. Go home and pray. I have put up with a lot of things that I absolutely detected under the previous administration, and the Obama administration and so does just about everybody. I have fellowship with feel the same way you didn’t see us out protesting and causing trouble starting fire, throwing bricks, using foul language should everybody yes there was a January 6 protest which Trump said for them to protest peacefully unlike the government in Minnesota that does not promote peaceful protests. You can keep endorsing criminals. If you want to Jim, I will keep promoting lawfulness many of the ice agents that I have seen look like their immigrants himself of course, some are wise enough to come in the legal way and become US citizens and have a good life.

[Bootstrap]

Clearly, this is not how you would do a fraud investigation. It is not how you arrest illegal immigrants, they know their addresses, they can knock on their door at 5 a.m. just like ICE always has.

Which they are doing in states where the local and state governments cooperate.

Minnesota has decided to refuse to do so.

From what I can tell, Minnesota is doing nothing at all to prevent ICE agents from doing this if they have a valid warrant. Am I missing something?

[Bootstrap]

So what is the emergency that justifies this action?

An insurrection from a hostile state that seems to think it can defy federal law?

I don't think Minnesota is involved in a violent uprising against the federal government. I don't think Minnesota is defying federal law. Protests are not the same thing as an insurrection. The Constitution is designed to protect the right to protest.

If I am wrong about either, could you please be specific?

If ICE withdraws, the violence stops. Why not do that?

Okay, Boot: if the federal government withdrew from Fort Sumter, the violence would have stopped in the Civil War. Right?

Fort Sumter?

I don't think Minnesota has seized a federal military installation, expelled federal authority, or claimed sovereignty against the United States. If I am wrong about any of that, could you please tell me what I am missing?

[Bootstrap]

If ICE withdraws, the violence stops. Why not do that?

YES!

This is exactly what the people and government of Minnesota are calling for. This is an occupation by hostile forces.

Some people seem baffled that Minnesota would object to a military-style occupation by a hostile force. Or even outraged.

I have a hard time imaging Joe Biden invading Texas with a paramilitary operation. But I am having an even harder time imagining Texans accept it calmly.

Minnesota did not declare war on the federal government. It sure looks like the federal government declared war on Minnesota.

[JohnH]

I am not aware of "a lot". Anyway how is it a wise step to return if you cannot provide a living for your family, there's gang violence, etc. or worse, you have to fear that the US military may strike your fishing boat?

There's gang violence in the U.S. too.

[JohnH]

Some people seem baffled that Minnesota would object to a military-style occupation by a hostile force. Or even outraged.

I have a hard time imaging Joe Biden invading Texas with a paramilitary operation. But I am having an even harder time imagining Texans accept it calmly.

Because Texas hasn't declared an insurrection since 1861.

Minnesota did not declare war on the federal government. It sure looks like the federal government declared war on Minnesota.

MN has refused to cooperate with the federal government at all and has been quite public about their refusal to cooperate at all.

I don't think Minnesota has seized a federal military installation, expelled federal authority, or claimed sovereignty against the United States.

Really? Walz keeps saying to the federal government, "Leave - we don't want you here."

[JohnH]

If he left his weapon and rounds of ammunition at home, he’d be alive. Common sense.

The weapon he was brandishing was a cell phone. Leaving it home, and not helping people who are pepper-sprayed might have saved his life. But helping people was his profession.

I doubt than leaving his gun home would have made a difference. If he didn't have one, the border patrol could have provided one for him after he was shot dead.

This level of paranoia is unhealthy.

[Valerie]

Jesus said of the last days “ because Lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold”. Lawlessness abounds when we justify lawlessness & give it a huge applaud as if it’s good.

Many voted to have a felon for President. As expected, he is a lawless one. Even some here applaud him as if it's good.

It's not surprising that he sends lawless forces to occupy areas that voted against him as vengeance.

No, he’s not a felon he is THE PRESIDENT of THE UNITED STATES doing what Kamala Harris & Biden should have done, & that’s exactly why HE WON, plus for the great job he did his first term.

Protesters GO HOME. iCE keep doing your job!
Thank you, many of us appreciate you.
There are over 60,000 there they are looking for on their list 5,000 criminals that are a threat to public safety.
Florida is an example of how it should work but of course blue cities and states are violant lawbreakers acting like wild animals. We protest by “our vote” we put up with4 miserable leadership (or lack of ) without violently protesting, preventing peacefully protesting. We pray. We vote. We trust the good Lord.