Gender confusion

[temporal1]

Sure they did. They used words such as sodomy, unnatural affections, unnatural lusts, sexual immorality, fornication, abomination, perverse, and deviant.

After The Garden, scriptures are specific about not wearing (the wrong) clothing, however, from what is currently displayed, the flagrant immodesty involved, including gaudy makeup and jewelry, would eliminate choices, regardless of design for males or females.

It’s a curiosity of human nature, it seems as tho the current living generation wants to presume its uniqueness, even special-ness over former generations, however, history suggests over+over that thinking is not well-founded. Wrt both sin and virtue.

[Ken]

… The only difference is in the past we didn't have a name for it …

Sure they did. They used words such as sodomy, unnatural affections, unnatural lusts, sexual immorality, fornication, abomination, perverse, and deviant.

Shakespeare's works are literally jam packed with sexual inuendo. As are many other bawdy works from centuries past. Including same-sex attraction, trans themes and so forth. They were not so judgmental or repressed as you might think. Even if they didn't use our particular 21st century language and acronyms.

[JohnH]

The age of consent is 18 in Michigan (as it is in most states) for any adult who has a fiduciary or trust relationship over the child (teacher, counselor, minister, corrections officer, police officer, etc.) which was the case here because he was her minister and giving her "counseling".

I don't know why he didn't face state charges.

Perhaps because he wasn't guilty of state charges in Michigan.

And given the number of Baptist leaders ensnared in child sex abuse scandals there are clearly plenty of them in leadership who don't have a problem with it.

Consider this statement: "Given the number of public-school teachers ensnared in sex abuse scandals there are clearly plenty of them in leadership over students who don't have a problem with it."

[Ken]

The age of consent is 18 in Michigan (as it is in most states) for any adult who has a fiduciary or trust relationship over the child (teacher, counselor, minister, corrections officer, police officer, etc.) which was the case here because he was her minister and giving her "counseling".

I don't know why he didn't face state charges.

Perhaps because he wasn't guilty of state charges in Michigan.

And given the number of Baptist leaders ensnared in child sex abuse scandals there are clearly plenty of them in leadership who don't have a problem with it.

Consider this statement: "Given the number of public-school teachers ensnared in sex abuse scandals there are clearly plenty of them in leadership over students who don't have a problem with it."

Uh huh. There are over 3.5 million public school teachers in this country. And any who are engaged in sexual improprieties with students are typically fired and prosecuted and lose their licenses permanently. As are any administrators who cover up for them. And the profession does far more rigorous background checks than does the typical church. For example, across the river from me: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/17/us/o ... =url-share these administrators have now been fired and facing criminal prosecution and will likely never work in education again: https://www.opb.org/article/2025/04/22/ ... ion-crime/

[R7ehr]

The age of consent is 18 in Michigan (as it is in most states) for any adult who has a fiduciary or trust relationship over the child (teacher, counselor, minister, corrections officer, police officer, etc.) which was the case here because he was her minister and giving her "counseling".

I don't know why he didn't face state charges.

Perhaps because he wasn't guilty of state charges in Michigan.

And given the number of Baptist leaders ensnared in child sex abuse scandals there are clearly plenty of them in leadership who don't have a problem with it.

Consider this statement: "Given the number of public-school teachers ensnared in sex abuse scandals there are clearly plenty of them in leadership over students who don't have a problem with it."

Uh huh. There are over 3.5 million public school teachers in this country. And any who are engaged in sexual improprieties with students are typically fired and prosecuted and lose their licenses permanently. As are any administrators who cover up for them. And the profession does far more rigorous background checks than does the typical church. For example, across the river from me: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/17/us/o ... =url-share these administrators have now been fired and will likely never work in education again.

We hear frequently of bad police officers resigning or getting fired, and then eventually resurfacing in a different police force.
How does the education system screen for this problem teachers in different districts?

[Ken]

Perhaps because he wasn't guilty of state charges in Michigan.



Consider this statement: "Given the number of public-school teachers ensnared in sex abuse scandals there are clearly plenty of them in leadership over students who don't have a problem with it."

Uh huh. There are over 3.5 million public school teachers in this country. And any who are engaged in sexual improprieties with students are typically fired and prosecuted and lose their licenses permanently. As are any administrators who cover up for them. And the profession does far more rigorous background checks than does the typical church. For example, across the river from me: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/17/us/o ... =url-share these administrators have now been fired and will likely never work in education again.

We hear frequently of bad police officers resigning or getting fired, and then eventually resurfacing in a different police force.
How does the education system screen for this problem teachers in different districts?

You get your teaching license revoked. Which prevents you from taking a job anywhere else. And also prevents you from getting re-licensed in another state. They check. You cannot get hired without a valid license in your specific teaching specialty. And the state actually audits districts to make sure all their teachers are properly licensed.

Now obviously if some administrator just covers up accusations of abuse and doesn't report that doesn't happen. But the above example is of administrators who are now being prosecuted for covering up and not reporting abuse.

Does the system always work perfectly? No, of course not. No system does. But that is the normal procedure in this day and age and how abusive teachers are prevented from popping up in another district or another state.

[JohnH]

You get your teaching license revoked. Which prevents you from taking a job anywhere else. And also prevents you from getting re-licensed in another state. They check. You cannot get hired without a valid license in your specific teaching specialty. And the state actually audits districts to make sure all their teachers are properly licensed.

Now obviously if some administrator just covers up accusations of abuse and doesn't report that doesn't happen. But the above example is of administrators who are now being prosecuted for covering up and not reporting abuse.

Is that what actually happens?

Apparently not.

[Ken]

Nothing gets voters energized more than a battle. I'm convinced that abortion was used primarily as a wedge issue to inspire voters to a fighting mentality and inspire more voter turnout... on BOTH sides of the aisle. I grew up hearing about it as an existential crisis among conservatives. Now I am hearing about it as an existential crisis from progressives. It's just fear-based political conflict.

I think transgender ideology has replaced abortion as the next existential crisis to struggle over. Abortion no longer commands the voting block it once did, that is why it was so easy for the Republicans to edge away from it.

From my point of view this is not necessarily good or bad, it might make more interventions possible. Once people stop fighting they can often find ways to work together.

I've noticed progressives and liberals embracing fearmongering over abortion bans. I admit the conservatives have kind of dropped it as a wedge issue.

The transgender thing I don't see as much outside the progressive camp on the left. I see it a lot on the conservative side.

Everyone is hypocritical on their own issues. Republicans who are super into parental rights and medical autonomy/privacy when it comes to say COVID vaccines and outraged when the state intervenes against their will, forget all their values when it comes to transgender medication. Likewise, Democrats who oppose parental rights when it comes to teens and abortion or vaccine mandates are suddenly big believers in parental rights and outraged when the state intervenes against their will when it comes to transgender medication.

So it goes.

[JohnH]

Everyone is hypocritical on their own issues. Republicans who are super into parental rights and medical autonomy/privacy when it comes to say COVID vaccines and outraged when the state intervenes against their will, forget all their values when it comes to transgender medication. Likewise, Democrats who oppose parental rights when it comes to teens and abortion or vaccine mandates are suddenly big believers in parental rights and outraged when the state intervenes against their will when it comes to transgender medication.

So it goes.

Ken,

Are you unable to distinguish the difference between those two things?

[Ken]

Everyone is hypocritical on their own issues. Republicans who are super into parental rights and medical autonomy/privacy when it comes to say COVID vaccines and outraged when the state intervenes against their will, forget all their values when it comes to transgender medication. Likewise, Democrats who oppose parental rights when it comes to teens and abortion or vaccine mandates are suddenly big believers in parental rights and outraged when the state intervenes against their will when it comes to transgender medication.

So it goes.

Ken,

Are you unable to distinguish the difference between those two things?

Simple question. Do you believe parents should have the right to make medical decisions for their children? Yes or no?