Mennonite Measles in Texas

[JohnH]

I had measles. It was not treated with anything but aspirin at the time. Treatment is supportive only.

And yet you're still alive.

(Note: Aspirin is not recommended for children anymore due to Reye's syndrome. Hence why you should talk to a doctor's office to find out what supportive care to give.)

[Judas Maccabeus]

It really depends on how many children you need to take in.
If I want get vaccines for my children, I can go to the health department here, back where we used to live I had a deal where we would pay for one office visit plus the cost of the vaccines for doing more than one child at a time. The office visit was 140$.
Economic wise, it was easier to pay a monthly fee to a doctor for all of us then have an appointment scheduled then pay the entry cost given it was at least 100+ for almost everything.
Prices differ dramatically, depending on location.
I’m seeing a cardiac specialist for 118$ and I am kind of used to at least 300 for a specialist…

Contrary to certain forum member’s arguments, I don’t qualify for financial aid even with five children. I could get my children paid for, but I don’t really want to see the doctors down here for them. It seems like in the liberal states it’s easier to find doctors that are friendly to unvaccinated patients which sounds really ironic.

We had a family that was enrolling their children in one of the Hopkins pediatric practices. They were presented with a document that stated that they must commit to vaccination as per the CDC schedule, or the practice will not enroll the patients. Of course, they signed it, and were a bit puzzled why such a document would be needed. Your mileage, therefore may vary.

[JohnH]

We had a family that was enrolling their children in one of the Hopkins pediatric practices. They were presented with a document that stated that they must commit to vaccination as per the CDC schedule, or the practice will not enroll the patients. Of course, they signed it, and were a bit puzzled why such a document would be needed. Your mileage, therefore may vary.

I have never been presented any such document to sign. Perhaps more highly esteemed institutions like the Cleveland Clinic adhere to the latest standards of care, which is to give parents information on vaccines and not to engage in high-pressure tactics.

(And yes, if you're going to name-drop JHU, I'm going to name drop CCF.)

[Judas Maccabeus]

I had measles. It was not treated with anything but aspirin at the time. Treatment is supportive only.

And yet you're still alive.

(Note: Aspirin is not recommended for children anymore due to Reye's syndrome. Hence why you should talk to a doctor's office to find out what supportive care to give.)

This was 1962, times were different than. Of course you don’t give children aspirin now. But you did than.

Yes, I am still alive. Some were not.

[Judas Maccabeus]

We had a family that was enrolling their children in one of the Hopkins pediatric practices. They were presented with a document that stated that they must commit to vaccination as per the CDC schedule, or the practice will not enroll the patients. Of course, they signed it, and were a bit puzzled why such a document would be needed. Your mileage, therefore may vary.

I have never been presented any such document to sign. Perhaps more highly esteemed institutions like the Cleveland Clinic adhere to the latest standards of care, which is to give parents information on vaccines and not to engage in high-pressure tactics.

(And yes, if you're going to name-drop JHU, I'm going to name drop CCF.)

Each practice has its own standards. Personally, if I were a patient, I would not want sick children transmitting measles to my unvaccinated infant that I was bringing in for a well child visit. A contagious measles case can infect an entire waiting room. If someone wishes to disregard the advice of the practice they wish to be seen in, right up front, they are free to seek care from a place that supports their views, hopefully they can find one.

[Soloist]

As I have documented over and over, nobody needs to worry about what an ER visit or ICU treatment will cost. If the family with 5 kids earns under $120k, they can be fully covered under CHIP or Medicaid. If they earn over that, they can use traditional health insurance. If they choose to use a mutual aid sort of arrangement, mutual aid frequently pays for things like ER visits and ICU stays.

when I went to the ER, our bill following the ER was 27,000$
When they found out, we didn’t have insurance they dropped that to 18,000$
On inquiring about qualifying for Medicaid with my five dependents, and looking at the rates for my state, we did not qualify and we make under 100,000.
There was some gimmick where if I had filed the same month, Medicaid would help pay the overall cost and drop my bill down to 3000 but we found out about it after the fact, even though we had filed early enough. The paperwork is not processed until it was no longer an option.
If we paid before the bill was due, it would only be 8000.
We had applied for financial aid, but we’re told the bill would go to collections if we didn’t pay it. We borrowed money and paid the bill. By that point, the actual hospital bill had been further reduced to about 4600 and then we had three or four other bills from different services associate with the ER visit that we had to pay as well.
I actually just got one more bill the other day that we need to pay from that ER visit.
Their charity program would cover 180 days retroactive as well but after you applied for it, they didn’t do anything with it for 120 days. By the time they finally approved it I had one month remaining covered and they gave us money to pay for that ER visit which we then returned to the person who loaned it to us.
Thanks to that coverage, I was also able to take care of the surgery I needed.
This is all thanks to the hospital wanting the tax write off. I did not qualify for any government aid other than that one gimmick Medicaid thing that didn’t work.
All the bills that were not from the primary hospital were not covered by the hospital charity and that worked out to probably close to $2000.

Back in Oregon I would’ve had everything covered and it would’ve been no problem at all. I could’ve even made more money and still been covered there.

I suppose that’s just in the grand scheme of things comparing a Republican state to a Democrat state and how they look at Healthcare.

[Ken]

And will the ER visit and subsequent ICU treatment be included in that $80 office visit charge?

As I have documented over and over, nobody needs to worry about what an ER visit or ICU treatment will cost. If the family with 5 kids earns under $120k, they can be fully covered under CHIP or Medicaid. If they earn over that, they can use traditional health insurance. If they choose to use a mutual aid sort of arrangement, mutual aid frequently pays for things like ER visits and ICU stays.

And the MMR vaccine is free to any family with any of the coverages you just described. CHIP, Medicaid, or private insurance under the ACA. And any doctor's office can provide it.

So failing to vaccinate your children and then having to airlift them to a distant city for ICU treatment is just negligence.

[JohnH]

And the MMR vaccine is free to any family with any of the coverages you just described. CHIP, Medicaid, or private insurance under the ACA. And any doctor's office can provide it.

So failing to vaccinate your children and then having to airlift them to a distant city for ICU treatment is just negligence.

It doesn't meet "negligence" under any reasonable definition of the world. There are pros and cons to vaccines, and it is entirely reasonable to choose not to use some of them.

I don't use MMR vaccines because I don't want to inject aborted-baby parts into myself or into my children. Do you consider that "negligence"?

[Ken]

And the MMR vaccine is free to any family with any of the coverages you just described. CHIP, Medicaid, or private insurance under the ACA. And any doctor's office can provide it.

So failing to vaccinate your children and then having to airlift them to a distant city for ICU treatment is just negligence.

It doesn't meet "negligence" under any reasonable definition of the world. There are pros and cons to vaccines, and it is entirely reasonable to choose not to use some of them.

I don't use MMR vaccines because I don't want to inject aborted-baby parts into myself or into my children. Do you consider that "negligence"?

It absolutely meets the definition of negligence under any definition of the word. Those two children who just died of measles died due to the negligence of their parents. And not because of some failure of care at the hospital in Lubbock. It is that simple.

[JohnH]

And the MMR vaccine is free to any family with any of the coverages you just described. CHIP, Medicaid, or private insurance under the ACA. And any doctor's office can provide it.

So failing to vaccinate your children and then having to airlift them to a distant city for ICU treatment is just negligence.

It doesn't meet "negligence" under any reasonable definition of the world. There are pros and cons to vaccines, and it is entirely reasonable to choose not to use some of them.

I don't use MMR vaccines because I don't want to inject aborted-baby parts into myself or into my children. Do you consider that "negligence"?

It absolutely meets the definition of negligence under any definition of the word. Those two children who just died of measles died due to the negligence of their parents. It is that simple.

It certainly doesn’t meet the legal standard of negligence.

There is no legal duty to vaccinate one’s children, particularly to do so against one’s religious conscience. I prefer to spend eternity in heaven, not hell, and no government could persuade me to choose murder.