Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Sat Mar 29, 2025 3:23 pm
By its very existence, such a combination vial would be a violation of regulations that are too numerous to count. You simply cannot have that combination unless it was created contrary to numerous regulations too numerous to count. Such a vial could not be created unless numerous entities up the chain violated all sorts of regulations. While a drug fridge in a hall might escape regulatory notice in some small rural clinics, we are talking about a major teaching hospital here, quite similar to the one I used to work in. There are both internal QC people and external inspectors checking for compliance. It is a black letter day if you are found in violation of these regulations, starting with paperwork, climbing to fines, and beyond.
If you wish to send me a PM, I will be glad to discuss details further. It is certainly a mainstream Cleveland Clinic primary care facility, home to some excellent doctors - not to mention one of my favorite LPNs and some great nurses too.
Nonetheless, the vaccine fridge is in the hallway. This isn’t the first one I’ve seen off a hallway - one at an independent doctor’s office associated with Summa Health System is another, and yet another is a primary care and walk on clinic on the Mercy Bon Secours system. Perhaps the fridges have some kind of advanced security system like a lock and key. I don’t go around opening and inspecting random fridges.
It would be far simpler for our friend to admit he must have misheard, but we have seen accusations against the healthcare system nonstop. It is one of the most regulated spaces in America! People don't mix drugs together without specific protocols authorizing that mixture. Manufacturers don't just "put stuff like adjuvants into vaccines without the FDA determining they are safe. There are strict limits on what you can and cannot do on an open bench versus under a LAF hood, not to mention training and documentation requirements. If you do draw up a mixture, you cannot leave it in a fridge, such draws are for "Immediate use" only, unless it was drawn under a LAF hood.
I have no idea of the source of the materials in the fridge. What I did witness were little glass vials with preprinted professional looking labels. That’s all I could see or remember.
John's stuff does not pass the smell test. It would be simpler to say, "maybe I misheard" than to keep doubling down.
I’m aware you think I didn’t see it. I did see it. So did my wife, if you think I need a “character witness”. We both thought it unusual to offer hpv plus flu.
This is speculation on my part but the Clinic runs their own compounding pharmacy and often runs their own protocols for things ranging from masking to how often staff need to wash their hands. They have enough history they basically ARE the medical authority - they are not just some random hospital that has to submit to the authority, they have their own internal research and oversight.
So who knows - perhaps they made their own combination. I am quite confident the Clinic is not flagrantly violating all kinds of laws and regulations. I am however completely confident they have a fridge with vaccines in it right by where myself and my children get weighed in. I am somewhat confident I overheard them discussing whethe, due to lack of inventory of single vaccines, they could use a combination they did have in stock.
Denying our lived experiences is a common tactic of people who want to push pro vaccine propaganda. “John didn’t see that.” “You must be mistaken.” “That would never happen.” I’m not even bothered it happened. I’m simply stating that it did.
Incidentally, as parents who are choosing to delay vaccination of our children and also avoid stem cell based formulations, they are an excellent facility which treats such parents with respect, providing information about vaccine schedules and safety via their online patient portal, alternative schedules for parents who prefer fewer vaccinations than the full CDC schedules, and no pressure or shaming for choosing to delay or avoid.
