Mennonite Measles in Texas

[Ken]

So vaccination spiked deaths from 500 a year to 107500? That’s quite a jump.

You do realize that the US is just one country out of 195 don't you?

America is 5% of the world’s population. You’re saying that vaccination caused the measles death rate to go up 215 times?

Is there some particular reason that you are pretending to be so dense?

[randomguy]

I just signed up today. I found this forum in an attempt to hear the other side of this Texas outbreak. The articles on CBS or CNN or what have you don't mention what the parents have to say, or the Mennonite community. I'm curious how the community feels about Measles.

Covid sent me down the vaccine skeptical rabbit hole and from the concerns I read from scientific minds, I think the entire childhood schedule needs to be audited. I think virology is a really tough science where isolating the variable at hand, the actual virus, is extremely difficult. It's a particle that can't be seen by light for crying out loud. It can't reproduce itself, and so one question from me would be..how could we ever be sure we're looking at a foreign antigen versus a bioparticle produced naturally by our bodies? The virus itself ends up being produced by our bodies. The difficulties are glossed over in the name of vaccine uptake, making the entire field biased. Some have gone back to the original Enders study with Measles and have noted images of cytopathic damage can be replicated without the antigen. When we are forced to bounce electrons off something to see it, and its part of a complex system, I'm not sure how people go around with so much certainty.

We are commanded to take Measles seriously, but it was brought to my attention during my dive that 1960s America didn't take Measles too seriously. In a season finale episode of the Brady Bunch a year or two before the vaccine game out, it was a side story, very much a punchline where kids were getting to stay home from school. So this feels like fear mongering to me.

I'm under the impression that sanitation, hygiene, clean water, good and nutritious food have done most of the lifting. As far as name a childhood disease per chart posted above, I'd ask about Scarlet Fever. No vaccine was introduced for it, it is not plaguing the US last I checked.

That said, how does the Mennonite community feel about their overall health?

Some have noted that in cases of natural experiments of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated, as well as some actual studies, the unvaccinated do suffer more childhood infections but come out with less asthma, digestive issues, and neurological issues.

Thanks. I hope some found this interesting and I hope I learn something about how Mennonites feel about their health.

[JohnH]

Mennonites as a whole don’t have a stance on measles or vaccines. In my denomination it is left up to each family’s personal choice.

Generally more plain Mennonites prefer home remedies etc. I actually frequently counsel people to consider going to good specialists instead of just questionable home remedies.

[Southerner]

As JohnH stated there's no official Mennonite stance for or against vaccines that I am aware of. Instead, it's by family with some very opposed cuz vaccines utilize "aborted baby parts" while others like mine received COVID vaccines and get the MMR and don't have a strong distrust of health professionals. Just please do not label me a "liberal" cuz that I am not.

[Soloist]

In my impression as an outsider and one who deeply cares about the use of fetal cells for vaccine production or testing, the majority of Mennonites are unfamiliar with fetal cells or the process for any vaccine, production or development. Covid certainly enhanced that knowledge but I haven't found many who actually changed their views on vaccines from the Covid propaganda by either side.

I tend to find more in the older generation who took a stance on fetal cells and the younger generally are ignorant. Some object to all vaccines entirely and some take all vaccines except perhaps Gardasil and Hep-A,B. Its truly rare to find someone who wants certain vaccines but not all of them and has a logical reason behind it. Generally the culture seems (among the conservatives) to be against modern treatment in general or very favorable on experimental treatments as long as its out of country. Medical literacy is relatively low which isn't actually saying much in regard to the rest of our society.

I know of at least one church/network which has an official stance against fetal cell use but I won't mention who.

[Ken]

Mennonites as a whole don’t have a stance on measles or vaccines. In my denomination it is left up to each family’s personal choice.

Generally more plain Mennonites prefer home remedies etc. I actually frequently counsel people to consider going to good specialists instead of just questionable home remedies.

What is the Mennonite "home remedy" for measles?

[Ken]

I know of at least one church/network which has an official stance against fetal cell use but I won't mention who.

Why not? Is it secret? If so why?

[randomguy]

Mennonites as a whole don’t have a stance on measles or vaccines. In my denomination it is left up to each family’s personal choice.

Generally more plain Mennonites prefer home remedies etc. I actually frequently counsel people to consider going to good specialists instead of just questionable home remedies.

That was dumb of me to ask it in such a way as to assume some sort of monolith. Is there anyway to get at a general feel for overall health of the culture?

[Southerner]

Mennonites as a whole don’t have a stance on measles or vaccines. In my denomination it is left up to each family’s personal choice.

Generally more plain Mennonites prefer home remedies etc. I actually frequently counsel people to consider going to good specialists instead of just questionable home remedies.

That was dumb of me to ask it in such a way as to assume some sort of monolith. Is there anyway to get at a general feel for overall health of the culture?

I don't understand your question. "Overall health"????

[JohnH]

Mennonites as a whole don’t have a stance on measles or vaccines. In my denomination it is left up to each family’s personal choice.

Generally more plain Mennonites prefer home remedies etc. I actually frequently counsel people to consider going to good specialists instead of just questionable home remedies.

What is the Mennonite "home remedy" for measles?

Did you notice the word “Generally”?