Bud Light

Things that are not part of politics happening presently and how we approach or address it as Anabaptists.
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Sliceitup
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Re: Bud Light

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Grace wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:39 am
RZehr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 2:30 pm
And as I see this happening, I think that the LGBTQ will win this and other fights like it sooner than later.
And they will not stop their fight. Their next target is to normalize and legalize pedophilia.
As someone who is supportive of the LGBTQ community and has children who are LGBTQ, I can assure you that I don’t know anyone who is supportive of any effort to normalize and legalize pedophilia. And I am not supportive of it. I do not even know that there is any such effort.

Maybe you have some concrete reasons for saying this.
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Soloist

Re: Bud Light

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Sliceitup wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:03 am
Grace wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:39 am
RZehr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 2:30 pm
And as I see this happening, I think that the LGBTQ will win this and other fights like it sooner than later.
And they will not stop their fight. Their next target is to normalize and legalize pedophilia.
As someone who is supportive of the LGBTQ community and has children who are LGBTQ, I can assure you that I don’t know anyone who is supportive of any effort to normalize and legalize pedophilia. And I am not supportive of it. I do not even know that there is any such effort.

Maybe you have some concrete reasons for saying this.
There are some bad eggs in every group.
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Josh

Re: Bud Light

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Sliceitup wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:03 am As someone who is supportive of the LGBTQ community and has children who are LGBTQ, I can assure you that I don’t know anyone who is supportive of any effort to normalize and legalize pedophilia. And I am not supportive of it. I do not even know that there is any such effort.

Maybe you have some concrete reasons for saying this.
As someone who used to be supportive of the LGBTQ community, had many friends who were or are LGBTQ, and participated in the political process to legalise gay marriage amongst other things, I can assure you that relationships like a 25 year old male with a 15 year old boy are seen as perfectly reasonable in LGBTQ circles.

Sliceitup, I have an honest question to ask you, and this isn't meant to condemn. You have stated before you are a member in good standing at a conservative Mennonite church and uphold conservative Anabaptist principles and doctrines. Is your church supportive of the LGBTQ community, or else are they supportive of the stance you take?
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Sliceitup
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Re: Bud Light

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Josh wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:23 am
Sliceitup wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:03 am As someone who is supportive of the LGBTQ community and has children who are LGBTQ, I can assure you that I don’t know anyone who is supportive of any effort to normalize and legalize pedophilia. And I am not supportive of it. I do not even know that there is any such effort.

Maybe you have some concrete reasons for saying this.
As someone who used to be supportive of the LGBTQ community, had many friends who were or are LGBTQ, and participated in the political process to legalise gay marriage amongst other things, I can assure you that relationships like a 25 year old male with a 15 year old boy are seen as perfectly reasonable in LGBTQ circles.

Sliceitup, I have an honest question to ask you, and this isn't meant to condemn. You have stated before you are a member in good standing at a conservative Mennonite church and uphold conservative Anabaptist principles and doctrines. Is your church supportive of the LGBTQ community, or else are they supportive of the stance you take?
No they are not in agreement with my take on this subject.
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temporal1

Re: Bud Light

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Soloist wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:10 am There are some bad eggs in every group.
It’s an exponential help (to me) to not view the matter as bad eggs/good eggs, but to discern the individual (as we are all individuals in need of Jesus, bar none) from the organized political bloc/cult that routinely “scoops up” and attempts to own any-all for their purposes of political power, protection, promotion, along with generous access to the public treasury.

Individuals with souls. Individuals in need of Truth, as we all are.
When Jesus said, “go and sin no more,” He knew temptations vary. The battle is with sin, and no one is overlooked.

The alphabet bloc/lobby has acquired breathtaking wealth, influence, power, in a relatively short amount of time.
i venture to believe, far beyond their own wildest dreams! Before, but esp since obama, promoted directly out of the White House, pushed internationally. i can’t believe anyone in their wildest delusions could have imagined what has unfolded.

Here we are.

For me it’s always been about discerning the soul in need ~versus~ the institution created for earthly gain. Institutions have no souls. Regardless of how things appear today, the latter will quickly fade and be forgotten.

Psalm 62:9
https://biblehub.com/psalms/62-9.htm
8Trust in Him at all times, O people; pour out your hearts before Him. God is our refuge. Selah

9Lowborn men are but a vapor, the exalted but a lie.
Weighed on the scale, they go up; together they are but a vapor.

10Place no trust in extortion, or false hope in stolen goods. If your riches increase, do not set your heart upon them.…


i do not use the alphabet label, nor the logo/flags, etc., these are symbols of the organized political bloc.
i have had some dear friends who were/are homosexual, i’ve worked with various ones without conflict. i believe it’s a mistake to allow the political institution power to presume it speaks for all.

Jesus came for souls, not institutions, large or small.
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temporal1

Re: Bud Light

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Grace wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:39 am
RZehr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 2:30 pm And as I see this happening, I think that the LGBTQ will win this and other fights like it sooner than later.
And they will not stop their fight. Their next target is to normalize and legalize pedophilia.
No doubt can remain, obama, now biden, have spoken for and promoted the organized political bloc/cult, from the U.S. White House. Carnal sin is now “of Biblical proportions.” It’s beyond denial.

Regardless of propaganda, “they”/the bloc, does not own souls.

Just as Jesus impressively reached out to the Centurion, whose soul was not owned by Caesar.
Caesar hated Jesus because Jesus is Truth. So much earthly deception.
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Grace
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Re: Bud Light

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Sliceitup wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:03 am
Grace wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:39 am
RZehr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 2:30 pm
And as I see this happening, I think that the LGBTQ will win this and other fights like it sooner than later.
And they will not stop their fight. Their next target is to normalize and legalize pedophilia.
As someone who is supportive of the LGBTQ community and has children who are LGBTQ, I can assure you that I don’t know anyone who is supportive of any effort to normalize and legalize pedophilia. And I am not supportive of it. I do not even know that there is any such effort.

Maybe you have some concrete reasons for saying this.
I am sure there are many within the gay community that would be appalled with the idea of normalizing pedophilia. However on a wider scope there is a push to indoctrinate (groom) children in our school system, in presenting drag shows to children etc. Add to that the fairly new, but forceful mantra now being touted by the current administration and other liberal groups, “That our children are not our children, but the children in this country are everyone’s children. It is becoming evident that there is an incremental movement normalizing pedophilia, just as it was with gay marriage. There are now those who are pushing to change the definition of pedophilia to “minor attracted people”

https://www.pennlive.com/news/2022/08/p ... cates.html

https://www.metroweekly.com/2023/06/nyc ... -children/
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Josh

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More disturbingly, California is in the process of passing a law that would declare not affirming a child's gender to be "child abuse" and allow the state to take children away from Christian homes that don't affirm LGBT doctrines.
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Re: Bud Light

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Grace wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 6:55 pm
And they will not stop their fight. Their next target is to normalize and legalize pedophilia.
Your YouTube video that you present as evidence for the above statement is a 2014 performance of a poem originally written by the poet Khalil Gibran in 1923

This is the original 1923 poem: https://poets.org/poem/children-1

On Children

by Khalil Gibran, 1923

And a woman who held a babe against her bosom said, Speak to us of Children.
And he said:
Your children are not your children.
They are the sons and daughters of Life’s longing for itself.
They come through you but not from you,
And though they are with you yet they belong not to you.

You may give them your love but not your thoughts,
For they have their own thoughts.
You may house their bodies but not their souls,
For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow, which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams.
You may strive to be like them, but seek not to make them like you.
For life goes not backward nor tarries with yesterday.
You are the bows from which your children as living arrows are sent forth.
The archer sees the mark upon the path of the infinite, and He bends you with His might that His arrows may go swift and far.
Let your bending in the archer’s hand be for gladness;
For even as He loves the arrow that flies, so He loves also the bow that is stable.

And this is the choral score that is is being sung your video. It was composed and arranged by Joshua Shank in 2010 for the Minnesota State Mixed Choir (a completely non-Gay boys and girls choir) and has been a popular HS choral work ever since. It has nothing to do with pedophilia or even homosexuality. Here are the lyrics word for word. You can download the entire score at this site: https://graphitepublishing.com/product/ ... ral-score/
Your children (are not your children) (choral score)

Your children are not your children.
They are the sons and daughters of Life’s longing for itself.
They come through you but not from you,
And though they are with you yet they belong not to you.
You may give them your love but not your thoughts,
For they have their own thoughts.
You may house their bodies but not their souls,
For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow,
which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams.
You may strive to be like them,
but seek not to make them like you.
For life goes not backward nor tarries with yesterday.

Khalil Gibran (1883-1931)
(Adapted by the composer)
And finally, this is the original performance of the piece by the Minnesota All-State Mixed Choir in 2010 (a high school choir)

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Josh

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I think the messaging of a group of entirely homosexual men singing "We'll convert your children" is obvious enough.
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