Bud Light

Things that are not part of politics happening presently and how we approach or address it as Anabaptists.
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Ken
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Robert wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 10:17 amWhen race is brought in to give reason for cultural interests and lifestyle, it is racist.

There are more blacks in the NBA, rap and hip hop music. There are more blacks involved in inner city murders. Now does that sound racist to you
That is not an accurate definition of racism, and no, none of those observations are inherently racist. From Miriam Webster:
racism, noun

1: a belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

also : behavior or attitudes that reflect and foster this belief : racial discrimination or prejudice

2 a: the systemic oppression of a racial group to the social, economic, and political advantage of another specifically : WHITE SUPREMACY
see also SYSTEMIC RACISM

b: a political or social system founded on racism and designed to execute its principles
Simply observing cultural differences with respect to the tastes and interests of different groups is not racist. It is just demographics.

If I observe that the French are not so much into baseball that is an accurate observation and not racist. You will look long and hard to find baseball fields in France. Likewise if I observe that Americans are not so much into cricket that is also an accurate statement. You will not find many oval cricket pitches in the United States. Will you find a few in big cities with lots of Indian/Pakistani immigrants and British expats? Sure. But not many. And you will wait a LONG time to see cricket coverage on ESPN. Because the Average American sports fan is not dying to see cricket results.

I could also observe that American Mennonites are not so much into hip hop or vodka. And that American Mennonites are predominantly White. Again, not racist, simply accurate observations. Can you find Mennonite congregations in the US that are into hip hop and vodka? Perhaps, but they would be the exception. Likewise you'll also not find many (if any) Mennonite congregations in the US that are majority Black.

Even overtly racial observations are not necessarily racist. I work in education and it is a well-known fact that Black and Hispanic students perform more poorly on standardized tests than White and Asian students. Every teacher and school administrator (Black or White) everywhere in the country is acutely aware of this fact. And yes, it is a fact because we do have demographic data on every student who takes the SAT.

The question is WHY that is the case.

If I were to say that Black and Hispanic students perform more poorly on the SAT because they are genetically inferior and prone to laziness then yes, that would be a RACIST explanation.

If I were to say that Black and Hispanic students perform more poorly because on average they live in communities with higher rates of poverty that is an accurate statement and also not racist. SAT scores in every state in the country correlate almost perfectly with with average income of each zip code and school district. And that is true across all racial lines. I can tell you without looking that White students in wealthy cities like Highland Park or Southlake have higher SAT scores on average than White students in less affluent town like Abilene or Wichita Falls.

The first explanation is racist, the second is based on class. Now we can dig deeper and ask why Blacks on average have less wealth and live in less wealthy neighborhoods than Whites. And again, we can come up with racist explanations to explain that demographic fact (Blacks are genetically inferior or more lazy). Or we can come up with non-racist explanations, such as that Blacks have faced a long legacy of racism and discrimination in this country, which is the opposite explanation. And perhaps we can come up with other explanations that have nothing to do with race one way or the other.
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ohio jones

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Ken wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 1:14 pm And you will wait a LONG time to see cricket coverage on ESPN.
Right.
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ohio jones wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 4:05 pm
Ken wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2023 1:14 pm And you will wait a LONG time to see cricket coverage on ESPN.
Right.
I was talking about the main cable TV channel ESPN not their online streaming service ESPN+ (which is actually mutually exclusive from ESPN) or their web site ESPN.com which has endless stuff on it. If you want to get pedantic, you can't actually get ESPN on ESPN+ and vice versa. They are mutually exclusive. From the link you provided....

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But sure, go ahead and argue that Americans are into cricket if you want to. Which of course was just a side example and not my main point anyway.
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RZehr

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I find this interesting. Free beer. The business aspect is fascinating to me, and it is over a lightning rod social matter to boot. This will be taught for years, I suspect.
Let’s see what the numbers are after July 4.
Bud Light sales dropped 28.5% year-over-year for the week ending June 17, according to the most recent figures by Bump Williams Consulting and NielsenIQ. The week before saw a decline of 26.4%, and the week before that, 24.4%.

In the wake of this controversy, Bud Light unveiled a brand-new rebate in time for July 4 that could make some of its beers completely free to those supporters the brand has retained.

People who purchase a 15-pack (or larger) of Budweiser, Bud Light, Budweiser Select or Budweiser Select 55 between June 15 and July 8 are eligible for up to $15 back.

Some retailers, including Target, are selling a 15-pack of Bud Light for less than $15, a total that would tumble to $0 with the rebate.

https://www.thestreet.com/retail/anheus ... _ven=YAHOO
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ken_sylvania

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RZehr wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 8:56 pm I find this interesting. Free beer. The business aspect is fascinating to me, and it is over a lightning rod social matter to boot. This will be taught for years, I suspect.
Let’s see what the numbers are after July 4.
Bud Light sales dropped 28.5% year-over-year for the week ending June 17, according to the most recent figures by Bump Williams Consulting and NielsenIQ. The week before saw a decline of 26.4%, and the week before that, 24.4%.

In the wake of this controversy, Bud Light unveiled a brand-new rebate in time for July 4 that could make some of its beers completely free to those supporters the brand has retained.

People who purchase a 15-pack (or larger) of Budweiser, Bud Light, Budweiser Select or Budweiser Select 55 between June 15 and July 8 are eligible for up to $15 back.

Some retailers, including Target, are selling a 15-pack of Bud Light for less than $15, a total that would tumble to $0 with the rebate.

https://www.thestreet.com/retail/anheus ... _ven=YAHOO
I suppose as a good Mennonite this presents quite a quandary for you? Free beer.
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Josh

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The marketing department pays the rebates (and hopes not every one gets turned in). Then they can still take a full credit for their sales numbers for $15, plus their distributors get paid.
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RZehr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 2:30 pm
And as I see this happening, I think that the LGBTQ will win this and other fights like it sooner than later. Every time.
Even if they "win" the alphabet people will lose ... their souls.

Taking souls is the devil's game. We must teach our children to live for God only and not get on the brinksmanship wagon in which politics become an idol.
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MaxPC wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:20 am
RZehr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 2:30 pm And as I see this happening, I think that the LGBTQ will win this and other fights like it sooner than later. Every time.
Even if they "win" the alphabet people will lose ... their souls.
Taking souls is the devil's game. We must teach our children to live for God only and not get on the brinksmanship wagon in which politics become an idol.
As well, in scriptures, and in real time on earth, “bigger+noisier” does NOT always win the day. The bullying way.
Massive propaganda bullies, the centermost goal. At heart, bullies are not only wrong, but cowards, to boot.

Tech has granted propagandists huge outlets.
However, that same tech grants Truth, and all us minor ones a new voice, new ways to connect, too.

Not to understate the challenge. As scriptures wisely counsel, vigilance, and faith, are required.
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RZehr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 2:30 pm
And as I see this happening, I think that the LGBTQ will win this and other fights like it sooner than later.
And they will not stop their fight. Their next target is to normalize and legalize pedophilia.
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Grace wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:39 am
RZehr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 2:30 pm And as I see this happening, I think that the LGBTQ will win this and other fights like it sooner than later.
And they will not stop their fight. Their next target is to normalize and legalize pedophilia.
It’s late in the day, but parents, ordinary people on the ground, are waking up and showing up to protect children.
Too much was trusted/tolerated for too long. The price is past due.

It will require sustained vigilance, one board meeting at a time. Most people don’t want anything to do with it. And, they are not made to feel welcome/wanted in gov arenas. That’s an important difference in home schools, private schools. Parents are EXPECTED if not REQUIRED to be present!- - -Time .. In addition to paying extra for costs+tuitions.

Decisions have to be made. It’s underway. Pray for the Holy Spirit to lead. Esp in gov arenas.

“Bidden or not bidden, God is present.” VOCATUS ATQUE NON VOCATUS DEUS ADERIT (no lower case in Latin)
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