Russia Invades Ukraine 2022

[Josh]

Ken,
Let’s recap:

“Fraudulent referendum” = outcome which the Western empire doesn’t like.

“Free and fair elections” = the obviously fraudulent 2020 presidential election

Note that if you criticise Dominion’s voting machines etc as anything less than perfect you get sued for millions of dollars.

Seriously. Are you defending what Russia is doing now? Going door to door and making residents vote on an open (non-secret) ballot at gunpoint? This is a thread about Russia's actions in Ukraine.

As for the 2020 election. The place to post your conspiracy theories about that is in the 1800+ thread here on this forum where you will find ZERO actual documented systemic fraud. Over 1800 posts and no one is able to show actual evidence of systemic fraud in any jurisdiction in the country that is legitimate enough to withstand scrutiny in a court of law. Such as actual fraudulently cast ballots being discovered. Don't you think it is finally time to stop repeating Trump's unhinged rantings about the 2020 election? He is already the most spectacular sore loser in all of history. It has long since ceased to be interesting. Now it is just embarrassing.

#1, you have no evidence Russia’s elections aren’t free and fair. You just have American-funded propaganda claiming it is.

#2, you have no real evidence America’s elections actually are free and fair. Your definition of a fair election = one where the global elites win.

[Ken]

Ken,
Let’s recap:

“Fraudulent referendum” = outcome which the Western empire doesn’t like.

“Free and fair elections” = the obviously fraudulent 2020 presidential election

Note that if you criticise Dominion’s voting machines etc as anything less than perfect you get sued for millions of dollars.

Seriously. Are you defending what Russia is doing now? Going door to door and making residents vote on an open (non-secret) ballot at gunpoint? This is a thread about Russia's actions in Ukraine.

As for the 2020 election. The place to post your conspiracy theories about that is in the 1800+ thread here on this forum where you will find ZERO actual documented systemic fraud. Over 1800 posts and no one is able to show actual evidence of systemic fraud in any jurisdiction in the country that is legitimate enough to withstand scrutiny in a court of law. Such as actual fraudulently cast ballots being discovered. Don't you think it is finally time to stop repeating Trump's unhinged rantings about the 2020 election? He is already the most spectacular sore loser in all of history. It has long since ceased to be interesting. Now it is just embarrassing.

#1, you have no evidence Russia’s elections aren’t free and fair. You just have American-funded propaganda claiming it is.

#2, you have no real evidence America’s elections actually are free and fair. Your definition of a fair election = one where the global elites win.

Don't you get tired of constantly repeating the most ridiculous forms of Russian propaganda? I would think that the cognitive dissonance would eventually become too much. Not even the Russians believe what they are saying about Ukraine anymore. Russia didn't run an election in the occupied parts of Ukraine. They went door-to-door in territories depopulated by a war that they started and made the die-hards who still remain check a box at gunpoint. That isn't an election. It violates both International law and the Ukrainian constitution. And it is a complete fraud.

You do realize that the reason why Russia is doing these overtly fraudulent so-called referendums is in order to legally (under Russian law) deploy their new conscripts to Ukraine. Under Russian law, conscripts cannot be deployed to fight outside Russia. Only volunteer troops can be deployed outside Russia's borders. So in order to mobilize conscripts and send them to Ukraine they need to declare Ukraine to be part of Russia. Everyone in Russia already knows this. It is all Kabuki theater.

As for the American elections? You are the one who keeps repeating Trump's unhinged lies and conspiracy theories about the 2020 election. He has never presented any legitimate evidence of fraud because he has none. Don't you also get tired of that?

[Neto]

Meanwhile, in a Mennonite Brethren congregation in Russia:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/6477340 ... =-UC%2CP-R

(You may not be able to see this video if you are not a member of the Mennonite Genealogy FB group. I could get a photo, but cannot post photos here.)

[Josh]

Meanwhile, in a Mennonite Brethren congregation in Russia:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/6477340 ... =-UC%2CP-R

(You may not be able to see this video if you are not a member of the Mennonite Genealogy FB group. I could get a photo, but cannot post photos here.)

Can’t see it if you haven’t joined the group and the group is closed to only people who have Russian Mennonite ancestry. A rather elite group, if you will.

[Neto]

Meanwhile, in a Mennonite Brethren congregation in Russia:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/6477340 ... =-UC%2CP-R

(You may not be able to see this video if you are not a member of the Mennonite Genealogy FB group. I could get a photo, but cannot post photos here.)

Can’t see it if you haven’t joined the group and the group is closed to only people who have Russian Mennonite ancestry. A rather elite group, if you will.

Others can join, and there are a number of Swiss Brethren background people on as well, but the focus of the group is Plautdiestch history and genealogy, so in that sense, yeah, sort of 'elite', although none of us would use a term like that because we are used to being the "excluded".

Before posting the above, I tried to go back to the source site, but it was a personal post from a (Russian) member of the FB group. I can no longer find it at all. I suspect that it was taken down, because this FB group is supposed to be only for history & genealogy. Anything that sounds political in nature is taken down, as well as anything overtly religious, unless it is closely tied to historical events. I thought that perhaps if members on this group could access it, it might be of interest, in terms of seeing how "conservative" Mennonite Brethren dress in Russia. (Most of the Mennonites that were living in what is now Ukraine (whether occupied by Russian forces or not) were "relocated" in other areas of the Soviet Union, especially during the 1930's & 40's. I wish now I had looked up what region this congregation is located in, but I didn't. (I corresponded with a Wycliffe member whose parents had immigrated to German from the USSR in 1980. Her great grandparents had been relocated by the Soviets to what is now a separate country, somewhere on the other side of the Ural Mountains. She returned to Russia as a Bible translator, working in an undisclosed Muslim "tribal" area. Most of my correspondence with her was comparing family backgrounds, because she was a Rempel, as am I. Then we - my family - also kept track of her missionary work for a number of years.)

This FB group is attempting to walk a careful line, because it has members who are now Russians, as well as others who are now Ukrainian. (What I mean by 'now' is that many of these folks are not religious at all, let alone Mennonite, and became aware of their Mennonite heritage only through DNA reports. As I've said before, "God has no Grandchildren.")

[temporal1]

The word, “specific” might be better than elite.

i found 1600’s Hans Graf Swiss-Menno ancestry through Family Search, not DNA.
i’m not sure it’s recent enough for this group.

[Neto]

The word, “specific” might be better than elite.

i found 1600’s Hans Graf Swiss-Menno ancestry through Family Search, not DNA.
i’m not sure it’s recent enough for this group.

There is another FB group that focuses on Swiss & German ethnic Mennonite backgrounds. Those who come to the Plautdiestch group looking for genealogical information for their family backgrounds are told that they will have better success there. I might also add that most of the members in the 'Russian Mennonite" group are descendants of people with very recent ties to the USSR. For many, it was their parents who came over, either to Canada, or South America. Others are still there, in either Ukraine, Russia, or other former Soviet bloc countries. (Or those who moved to East Germany before the collapse of the USSR.) So people like me, with the history of ancestors who left in the 1800's, are in the minority. Most of these other folks still speak Plautdietch, which I do not; not beyond a small smattering of individual words or phrases.

[Joy]

https://news.yahoo.com/orthodox-church- ... 02101.html

Wow.

[ken_sylvania]

https://news.yahoo.com/orthodox-church- ... 02101.html

Wow.

With a religion like that, who needs a Saviour?

[Joy]

Like jihad.