The Queen is dead

[RZehr]

I’m willing to bet that pretty much every country on the planet has some sort of oath of allegiance that is required for citizenship. Perhaps not simply for a work visa, but for any sort of permanent residency leading towards citizenship. When my wife immigrated here from Chile I don’t recall any sort of oaths of allegiance when she got her green card. That was more or less automatic with our marriage. But when she got her citizenship she had to. There is some sort of oath of citizenship that you take. Normally it is a big ceremony with lots of people. We did it at the big auditorium at Trinity University in San Antonio. There were probably several hundred others there doing the same thing at the same time with their families. Everyone had to stand up and recite the oath of naturalization. The text is as follows:

https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/learn ... of-america

Wow, that's quite the burly set of unworkable commitments.

[Ken]

I’m willing to bet that pretty much every country on the planet has some sort of oath of allegiance that is required for citizenship. Perhaps not simply for a work visa, but for any sort of permanent residency leading towards citizenship. When my wife immigrated here from Chile I don’t recall any sort of oaths of allegiance when she got her green card. That was more or less automatic with our marriage. But when she got her citizenship she had to. There is some sort of oath of citizenship that you take. Normally it is a big ceremony with lots of people. We did it at the big auditorium at Trinity University in San Antonio. There were probably several hundred others there doing the same thing at the same time with their families. Everyone had to stand up and recite the oath of naturalization. The text is as follows:

https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/learn ... of-america

Wow, that's quite the burly set of unworkable commitments.

I think it is intended to be read as either or. You agree to serve under arms or in some other non-military capacity. I think it was written many decades ago during the WW1 or WW2 era and hasn’t ever been changed.

There are a lot of permanent residents who never bother to take the final step towards citizenship. Mostly just out of inertia and not because of the oath. But that is always something of a risk because you can always be deported and you most certainly will be if you are ever convicted of a felony and you are not a citizen.

[Valerie]

We all shall stand before the judgement seat and none will be queens or kings or anything in the sight of God.

I have been thinking about allegiance our forefathers gave to the King of England when they moved to the US... could we do that today? I personally couldn't give that.

I would give the King of England the same allegiance as I give the current American government if I had lived back in the time when he was ruler over the colonies. It would have been challenging to navigate that allegiance during the revolution, and it was challenging for the nonresistant folks then.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't these allegiances to protect the country from spies with evil intents or traitors? Every kingdom has always seen the need to protect itself- if i understand that, it is not an allegiance replacing God-

[Valerie]

We were watching coverage about the queen. Billy Graham's grandson was being interviewed. Apparently the queen had a very strong and good relationship with Billy Graham. She had reached out to him, and he met her in 1954. Billy Graham's grandson seem to convey her relationship with Christ and that his grandfather was a spiritual counselor to her through the years.

[HondurasKeiser]

I guess it's good for me that I was born a citizen because I could never take that pledge.

Well you’d have been born a citizen somewhere…

[barnhart]

I guess it's good for me that I was born a citizen because I could never take that pledge.

Well you’d have been born a citizen somewhere…

Generally speaking yes, but some are less demanding than others. I know US citizens who emigrated to Canada for work and gained Canadian citizenship without renouncing US citizenship.

[ken_sylvania]

I’m willing to bet that pretty much every country on the planet has some sort of oath of allegiance that is required for citizenship. Perhaps not simply for a work visa, but for any sort of permanent residency leading towards citizenship. When my wife immigrated here from Chile I don’t recall any sort of oaths of allegiance when she got her green card. That was more or less automatic with our marriage. But when she got her citizenship she had to. There is some sort of oath of citizenship that you take. Normally it is a big ceremony with lots of people. We did it at the big auditorium at Trinity University in San Antonio. There were probably several hundred others there doing the same thing at the same time with their families. Everyone had to stand up and recite the oath of naturalization. The text is as follows:

https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/learn ... of-america

Wow, that's quite the burly set of unworkable commitments.

It is policy that affirmation is allowed in place of the oath, and also that for religious or conscientious objectors the promise to serve in the armed forces in any role can be eliminated.

[steve-in-kville]

I'm halfway through a documentary that was made a few years ago about the queen. During her reign, she saw 15 prime ministers, 14 US presidents, seven catholic popes and owned nearly 30 corgis in her lifetime.

[steve-in-kville]

She also served as a truck mechanic in WWII.

[Ernie]

The Short Unhappy Life of Elizabeth Windsor
https://www.politico.eu/article/the-sho ... -obituary/

I wonder how many of her fans realize this.

And oh... the millions of dollars of flowers that are being placed on heaps and along roads in memory of her that she cannot even enjoy. I guess it is good for the economy...