Amish farm under threat from U.S. federal govt for refusal to abandon traditional farming practices

[Ken]

In the area of construction we have a wide variety of building codes, permitting requirements, and zoning laws. They ensure that when you spend your life-savings on a house that it has been constructed properly.

Right.

Obviously nothing is perfect but have you ever tore apart a house full of DIY home remodels done by people who had no idea what they were doing?

I'd rather know my house was built to code and inspected.

[ohio jones]

I'd rather know my house was built to code and inspected.

Unless you were as involved in the construction process as some here are saying you should be in the production of your food, you do not know that it was constructed properly.

Building department inspections and USDA inspections provide a reasonable, but not absolute, degree of assurance. There can be a lack of quality despite inspections, and there can be excellent quality without inspections. The consumer has to decide what odds they are comfortable with, and which issues are important enough to invest their time in personal supervision.

And as Josh points out, there are other motivations for the regulations, and other effects resulting from them, that are worth being aware of.

[Josh]

Your argument is a bit weak. If life expectancy is an indicator of whether rules and regulations are helpful or harmful then they would clearly be helpful. Life expectancy has risen throughout the 20 and 21st centuries. And we’ve had increasingly more food regulations.

Then let's look at the last 10 years and ask if the increasing rules and regulations of the last 10 years have helped. Go ahead and look from 2009 - 2019, just so we can exclude that favourite bogeyman, COVID.

The drop in life expectancy from 2019-2020 was due to Covid19. It was the largest year to year change in 70+ years. You can’t expect people to think that’s tied to food regulations that have been in existence for decades.

Life expectancy had already been dropping before 2020, so no, you can't blame this one on COVID-19.

One of the reasons people died from COVID-19 was due to being obese, diabetic, and otherwise unhealthy from the toxic, processed food that is so common nowadays.

[Ken]

I'd rather know my house was built to code and inspected.

Unless you were as involved in the construction process as some here are saying you should be in the production of your food, you do not know that it was constructed properly.

Fine. I'll rephrase. I'd rather live in a community and country that makes an effort to establish and enforce building codes for safety and quality.

I have also lived in countries like Guatemala where no such things exist so I know what the alternative is.

[Judas Maccabeus]

I'd rather know my house was built to code and inspected.

Unless you were as involved in the construction process as some here are saying you should be in the production of your food, you do not know that it was constructed properly.

Fine. I'll rephrase. I'd rather live in a community and country that makes an effort to establish and enforce building codes for safety and quality.

I have also lived in countries like Guatemala where no such things exist so I know what the alternative is.

Yeah, we lived in Jordan for a year. You would love the streets, sidewalks and electrical wiring

[Josh]

I'd rather know my house was built to code and inspected.

Unless you were as involved in the construction process as some here are saying you should be in the production of your food, you do not know that it was constructed properly.

Fine. I'll rephrase. I'd rather live in a community and country that makes an effort to establish and enforce building codes for safety and quality.

Yet that doesn't come just from government regulation, but from a culture which values honesty and integrity and one where builders care about their reputations.

I have also lived in countries like Guatemala where no such things exist so I know what the alternative is.

Are you sure Guatemala has no building codes, inspections, or laws on the books for that? A quick Google search reveals lots of talk (including businesses offering to help you get necessary permits) that such things there do exist.

[Ken]

Unless you were as involved in the construction process as some here are saying you should be in the production of your food, you do not know that it was constructed properly.

Fine. I'll rephrase. I'd rather live in a community and country that makes an effort to establish and enforce building codes for safety and quality.

Yet that doesn't come just from government regulation, but from a culture which values honesty and integrity and one where builders care about their reputations.

I have also lived in countries like Guatemala where no such things exist so I know what the alternative is.

Are you sure Guatemala has no building codes, inspections, or laws on the books for that? A quick Google search reveals lots of talk (including businesses offering to help you get necessary permits) that such things there do exist.

Oh, there's plenty of fees to do everything, and lots of corruption. So basically you have to pay people off for permission to do anything. But that doesn't mean there is actually a building code that is enforced through inspections.

Actually they probably follow international standards for things like high-rise steel and glass office towers in Guatemala City but construction of single family homes in most of the country is largely unregulated in terms of codes.

[Sliceitup]

Sometimes there’s government overreach. And regulations can definitely hamper small businesses. And some people may prefer more natural products to be used in their food production. But I’m fairly convinced that none of those things are the primary issue here.

I think that Amos Miller would very likely be able to do all the things he wants to do if he jumped through the proper hoops. But he’s got so many people whispering in his ear that he won’t even try. There are a lot of people out there who are using him to further their own ideologies. It’s a bit disgusting cause I’ve seen people lose their homes because they went by the sovereign citizen playbook.

[steve-in-kville]

It’s a bit disgusting cause I’ve seen people lose their homes because they went by the sovereign citizen playbook.

I know of a handful of guys who consider themselves sovereign citizens. Its actually scary what comes out of their mouth....

[Jazman]

If the Amish had never sold to the English, there would not have been a problem. The solution is to set up a Christian Community, and sell only to believers. It can be a CSA, but you have to exclude these heathen troublemakers.

I don't recall seeing this kind of attitude in the New Testament, do you?

Maybe this is God's plan, that these non-believers will have to eat GMO food, take COVID shots, and be generally sick, while His elect have other options.

This is odd considering how many non-believers also avoid GMO foods, etc. too.