Russia Invades Ukraine 2022

Things that are not part of politics happening presently and how we approach or address it as Anabaptists.
temporal1

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mike wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 9:17 pm 90% women and children.

https://twitter.
is this kind of the opposite of Mexico/S.A. migrants/refugees at the U.S. border, AND most migrants/refugees going into European countries? (from photos, most appear to be young men, probably of military age?)
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Josh

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temporal1 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 9:31 pm
mike wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 9:17 pm 90% women and children.

https://twitter.
is this kind of the opposite of Mexico/S.A. migrants/refugees at the U.S. border, AND most migrants/refugees going into European countries? (from photos, most appear to be young men, probably of military age?)
They’re all chasing getting EU country passports, which they couldn’t easily get before.
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Ernie

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Ken wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:13 pmBecause by now the Ukrainian troops should have every road and intersection zeroed in by long distance artillery. They already know where the Russians will be coming from. And especially if the Ukrainian troops are using lighter equipment or on foot and aren't so constrained by soft ground. It sounds like the Russians have a lot of heavy equipment but not that many troops so they will be especially constrained to roads in the open country.

Attacking fixed locations when the opposition knows you are coming and has time to prepare always seems to be a recipe for enormous difficulty.
Ukranians can know where the enemy is arriving, but with limited equipment, there is not much they can do about it.
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Soloist

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Ernie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:04 pm
Ken wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:13 pmBecause by now the Ukrainian troops should have every road and intersection zeroed in by long distance artillery. They already know where the Russians will be coming from. And especially if the Ukrainian troops are using lighter equipment or on foot and aren't so constrained by soft ground. It sounds like the Russians have a lot of heavy equipment but not that many troops so they will be especially constrained to roads in the open country.

Attacking fixed locations when the opposition knows you are coming and has time to prepare always seems to be a recipe for enormous difficulty.
Ukranians can know where the enemy is arriving, but with limited equipment, there is not much they can do about it.

Any heavy artillery can easily be taken out and removed from the equation. Ukraine is best benefited by boom and scoot weapons. Most artillery takes too long to effectively "zero" in on a target site. I've been hearing about these huge convoys being so vulnerable, yet it seems like they never actually get removed.
Light equipment can be limited by mud just as much as heavy equipment. The foot troops cannot easily move through heavily wooded areas any better then a tank.
Any stationary target is missile bait regardless of side.
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Dan Z

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mike wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 9:17 pm 90% women and children.

I imagine by now with all the men being conscripted that the Ukrainian Army significantly out man’s the Russian army.
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Soloist

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Dan Z wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:29 pm

I imagine by now with all the men being conscripted that the Ukrainian Army significantly out man’s the Russian army.
Conscripts generally don't make good rocket crews. Generally they are rifle/grenades without advanced training. Its a possibility they are planning longer term warfare and sending conscripts to other nations for training. That would be smart tactics, especially since they apparently have more conscripts then they need.
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temporal1

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Josh wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:44 am
ohio jones wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:35 am It's my impression that none of the dozen or so Orthodox patriarchs pay much attention to what the Pope has to say.
If one or more (ideally all) of those guys would call for a cessation of violence rather than egging on their respective national interests, maybe somebunny would listen.
The Eastern church hasn’t been listening to the Western church about geopolitical matters for 968 years, but maybe things will change now.

i know little of EO, esp not Russian or Ukrainian, but, in practical terms, i doubt Pope Francis, in particular, would be winning their hearts. He’s having enough problems with Catholics. But, a prayer for an Easter truce is still a prayer for a truce. That we could pray would lead to resolution or even peace.
“Ukraine upset by Vatican inviting Russian to carry Good Friday cross”
“You have to understand one thing” about the pope, said the Rev. Antonio Spadaro, a Jesuit priest in Rome who is close to Francis, on Wednesday. “He's a pastor, not a politician.”
https://religionnews.com/2022/04/13/ukr ... day-cross/
ROME (AP) — A close associate of Pope Francis on Wednesday defended the Vatican’s decision to have a Russian woman and a Ukrainian woman carry the cross together during a Good Friday procession that will be presided over by the pontiff.

On Tuesday, both the Ukrainian ambassador to the Holy See and the archbishop of Kyiv blasted the choice given Russia’s invasion and war in Ukraine. The women are both nurses who work together at a Rome hospital.

Ukrainian Ambassador Andrii Yurash tweeted that he “understands and shares general concern in Ukraine and many other communities about idea to bring together Ukrainian and Russian women” to carry the cross during part of the procession on Friday.
.. Spadaro ventured that the image of the two women carrying the cross together was upsetting “because they represent something that can’t be obtained” now — “peace.”

Archbishop Sviatoslav Shevchuk, who is based in Kyiv and heads the Greek-Catholic church in Ukraine, also denounced the pairing.
“I consider this idea inopportune and ambiguous,” Shevchuk said, adding that it “doesn’t take into consideration the context of the Russian military aggression against Ukraine.”

Shevchuk also decried the wording of a meditation that the Vatican had said would be read aloud as the nurses clutch the tall, lightweight cross. It reads, “We want our life back as before. Why all of this? What wrong did we do? Why have you forsaken us? Why have you forsaken our peoples?”

The words, combined with the cross-carrying gesture, “are incomprehensible and even offensive,” the Greek-Catholic prelate said. .
The meditation was scripted based on the experiences of the families of the Russian and Ukrainian women, whose families also plan to participate in the procession, the Vatican has said.

The women, interviewed on Italian state TV earlier in the week, have expressed satisfaction with their role in the procession and stressed their friendship.

The pope did not mention the controversy during his public audience on Wednesday.
But he denounced “the armed aggression of these days” as “an outrage against God.”

Francis has pressed for an Easter cease-fire in Ukraine. Easter falls on April 17 for many Christians this year.
Ukraine’s EO Easter is April 24, 2022
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temporal1

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i don’t disagree with what the pope is doing. ^^^

But if the pope cannot be tolerated (entirely possible) then just read your Bibles, leaders and laity. please.
While praying for understanding+guidance.
DanZ:
I am generally not in favor of trying to put out a fire with gasoline.
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temporal1 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:46 pmOn Thursday afternoon, it said a fire onboard had been contained and that it would be towing the warship back to port.
But a statement issued later on Thursday said that, while being towed, the ship "lost its balance due to damage sustained in the hull".
"Given the choppy seas, the vessel sank," it said.
"choppy seas...." uh huh.

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temporal1

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Ken wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 10:05 am
temporal1 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:46 pm :arrow: BBC REPORTED:
On Thursday afternoon, it said a fire onboard had been contained and that it would be towing the warship back to port.
But a statement issued later on Thursday said that, while being towed, the ship "lost its balance due to damage sustained in the hull". "Given the choppy seas, the vessel sank," it said.
"choppy seas...." uh huh.

https://twitter.
:arrow: BBC REPORTED:
.. The BBC has not been able to verify either claim. ..
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