Russia Invades Ukraine 2022

[Valerie]

So over in Russia they would recognize that possibly a majority of Americans do not agree with Biden administration according to his approval ratings.

Does that give Russia the right to invade the United States and "liberate" us?

No, did it give Obama the right to jave much to do with putting Zelensky in power over there? Or the Bidens involvement (tried to hide) or George Soros involvement in Ukraine? I was merely pointing out when you suggest all of Russia does not support Putin which you're really not sure, cuz I know Orthodox Christians who support him, in russia, but the fact is what do we use that as a litmus test when it seems most of our country does not support our commander-in-chief?

[ken_sylvania]

So over in Russia they would recognize that possibly a majority of Americans do not agree with Biden administration according to his approval ratings.

Does that give Russia the right to invade the United States and "liberate" us?

No, did it give Obama the right to jave much to do with putting Zelensky in power over there? Or the Bidens involvement (tried to hide) or George Soros involvement in Ukraine? I was merely pointing out when you suggest all of Russia does not support Putin which you're really not sure, cuz I know Orthodox Christians who support him, in russia, but the fact is what do we use that as a litmus test when it seems most of our country does not support our commander-in-chief?

Most of what you say here goes over my head. I seem to have poor reading comprehension some days.

[temporal1]

So over in Russia they would recognize that possibly a majority of Americans do not agree with Biden administration according to his approval ratings.

Does that give Russia the right to invade the United States and "liberate" us?

Who decides right? Perhaps they would be justified to liberate the United States and give it back to the original owners.

Physical violence is the most primitive form of invasion.
The U.S. is now so well-educated, it’s all being done through courts, “without firing a shot.”

Invasions are now mostly done without carrying arms. Put down arms, cross borders en masse. Putin is old-fashioned.
Arms are acquired AFTER invasions, not before. Street crimes, drugs, etc.
Not just in the U.S.

Violent outbreaks distract from the bigger problems.

Cartels are smart. Violent when necessary. Gangsters+thugs are now armed with law degrees.

[temporal1]

Valerie:
.. but the fact is what do we use that as a litmus test when it seems most of our country does not support our commander-in-chief?

biden was obama’s insurance policy to stay in office for 2 terms, who would have guessed biden would “be returned” for a 3rd term?!
biden’s insurance is the DNC’s deep bench of “much worse.”

[temporal1]

Soloist:
.. I'm not looking for Russians who are saying war is bad, I'm looking for official battle propaganda claims and reports to contrast them with our own official propaganda.

on this forum, you have a fairly unique (minority) perspective to use for sniffing out clues.

in another thread, i hoped you might respond:

.. Most agree Putin is clearly embracing anti-Christ (that is thug like or mafia like) behavior, and those who are willing to look a little deeper, see the same behaviors in the Ukraine, most recently captured bound Russian prisoners having their kneecaps blown off and shot through by Ukrainian government officers. ..

Soloist or others will know, all violent war is heinous, but atrocities like these possibly reflect Ukraine’s poorly trained military?

[Szdfan]

So over in Russia they would recognize that possibly a majority of Americans do not agree with Biden administration according to his approval ratings.

Does that give Russia the right to invade the United States and "liberate" us?

No, did it give Obama the right to jave much to do with putting Zelensky in power over there?

For starters, Obama had nothing to do with putting Zelensky into power. The Euromaiden protests were in 2014. Zelensky wasn't elected president until 2019.

[Szdfan]

I was merely pointing out when you suggest all of Russia does not support Putin which you're really not sure, cuz I know Orthodox Christians who support him, in russia, but the fact is what do we use that as a litmus test when it seems most of our country does not support our commander-in-chief?

It's impossible to really know how many Russians support Putin and the war in Ukraine because Russia is a repressive society in which public dissent with the government often has costs associated with it. In a recent article about the closure of the independent paper Novaya Gazeta because of new restrictive journalism laws, one of the interviewees estimated that 70% of Russians supported Putin. Of course, most Russians get all of their news from State media sources, which will always tout the Kremlin line.

It is also true that a significant amount of the middle class that opposes Putin has left Russia in the past month for Finland, Armenia and Georgia.

[Valerie]

Does that give Russia the right to invade the United States and "liberate" us?

No, did it give Obama the right to jave much to do with putting Zelensky in power over there?

For starters, Obama had nothing to do with putting Zelensky into power. The Euromaiden protests were in 2014. Zelensky wasn't elected president until 2019.

I saw a video where Obama said he was involved

[Szdfan]

No, did it give Obama the right to jave much to do with putting Zelensky in power over there?

For starters, Obama had nothing to do with putting Zelensky into power. The Euromaiden protests were in 2014. Zelensky wasn't elected president until 2019.

I saw a video where Obama said he was involved

Well, then, of course, it has to be true. There's an unnamed video out there that says it.

[Ken]

No, did it give Obama the right to jave much to do with putting Zelensky in power over there?

For starters, Obama had nothing to do with putting Zelensky into power. The Euromaiden protests were in 2014. Zelensky wasn't elected president until 2019.

I saw a video where Obama said he was involved

Well yes, the Obama Administration did engage with Ukraine and with most other countries around the world just like all administrations do. But...

The 1991 independence of Ukraine during the fall of the USSR happened at the end of the George HW Bush's Administration.

The 1994 Budapest Accord in which Ukraine gave up nuclear weapons in exchange for security assurances from the US, UK and Russia happened during the Clinton Administration under Secretary of State Warren Christopher.

The 2004 Orange Revolution that overthrew the previous pro-Russian regime and brought in a more pro-Western regime happened during the first George W. Bush Administration.

The 2014 Russian invasion of Crimea and beginning of the Donbass war happened towards the end of the Obama Administration and the Obama Administration along with many other countries did sanction Russia but didn't otherwise get very engaged.

The 2019 election of Zelenskyy happened during the Trump Administration and Trump famously tried to extort the newly elected Zelenskyy by blocking weapons shipments to Ukraine to get him to open an investigation on Biden in exchange for releasing the weapons sales. This was the famous "perfect phone call" and chain of events that led to Trump's first impeachment.

What exactly do you think Obama or the Obama Administration is responsible for when it comes to Ukraine?