Josh wrote: ↑Fri Feb 18, 2022 4:09 pm
"mainstream Christian organisation" - this is the same CBC that informs us that "Mennonites support vaccination" because MC Canada said so. The rest of us Mennonites (who have not issued official statements) apparently don't matter and don't exist. (It is rather conspicuous they never stated what the Hutterite or Amish position is, nor have they ever talked about the denominations that do oppose vaccines, Christian Science being the most notable one in the context that they avoid any medical treatment whatsoever.)
Which branch of the Mennonite church opposes vaccines?
Which branch is in favor of vaccines? Can you find a position for the Eastern Mennonites? the Western Fellowship? the Mid Atlantic? the Nationwide?
Can you find people on both sides in those groups? do they acknowledge the truth of both positions? Most conservative Mennonites wouldn't have position papers they publish for public opinion to laud with praise.
In my church, the Bishop, the Bishop's adult children and their families, and several other families have a stance against fetal cells. I could conclude based on the members of my church that we (western fellowship) have a position against using fetal cell based vaccines. Does that mean we don't tolerate someone pro vaccine? sure we do, as long as they are respectful of their personal views.
Other groups are very focused on defending their position publically, but I would say the conservatives are not in that camp.
I'm not asking for a formal position paper. I'm just asking generally which branch of the Mennonite church opposes vaccines as a matter of doctrine. Apparently the answer is none of them. Conservative churches are willing to take positions on a bazillion different issues from the color and shape of head coverings and dress codes to jewelry, car colors, internet use, social security, etc. etc. But vaccines doesn't appear to be one of them.
I wasn't asking whether some bishop and his family in a particular church happens to have a position on stem cell research. Every church I have ever encountered has members with a wide variety of opinions on a wide variety of topics.
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Ken wrote: ↑Fri Feb 18, 2022 11:10 pm
I'm not asking for a formal position paper. I'm just asking generally which branch of the Mennonite church opposes vaccines as a matter of doctrine. Apparently the answer is none of them. Conservative churches are willing to take positions on a bazillion different issues from the color and shape of head coverings and dress codes to jewelry, car colors, internet use, social security, etc. etc. But vaccines doesn't appear to be one of them.
I wasn't asking whether some bishop and his family in a particular church happens to have a position on stem cell research. Every church I have ever encountered has members with a wide variety of opinions on a wide variety of topics.
There are many unwritten standards of a church. There are many "preferred" things Also... they are fetal cells. Not some nameless faceless cell. They came from a baby, a human life that was killed in the womb. Words have power and you are marginalizing the life taken to produce those cells. Various scientific articles do everything they can to conceal the nature of what cells they use as they know some do care.
These bazillion things are mostly not even wrote down in many conservative churches. Everyone in the Conservative Mennonites is opposed to abortion and if someone said they would donate the aborted body to science to save many people, we would still view that as evil.
This is off topic and I request the fetal cell dispute be moved to a separate thread for Ken to respond to.
Josh wrote: ↑Fri Feb 18, 2022 4:09 pm
"mainstream Christian organisation" - this is the same CBC that informs us that "Mennonites support vaccination" because MC Canada said so. The rest of us Mennonites (who have not issued official statements) apparently don't matter and don't exist. (It is rather conspicuous they never stated what the Hutterite or Amish position is, nor have they ever talked about the denominations that do oppose vaccines, Christian Science being the most notable one in the context that they avoid any medical treatment whatsoever.)
Which branch of the Mennonite church opposes vaccines?
Which branch is in favor of vaccines? Can you find a position for the Eastern Mennonites? the Western Fellowship? the Mid Atlantic? the Nationwide?
Can you find people on both sides in those groups? do they acknowledge the truth of both positions? Most conservative Mennonites wouldn't have position papers they publish for public opinion to laud with praise.
In my church, the Bishop, the Bishop's adult children and their families, and several other families have a stance against fetal cells. I could conclude based on the members of my church that we (western fellowship) have a position against using fetal cell based vaccines. Does that mean we don't tolerate someone pro vaccine? sure we do, as long as they are respectful of their personal views.
Other groups are very focused on defending their position publically, but I would say the conservatives are not in that camp.
We were discussing a Canadian news article which stated that no mainstream Christian group supports the anti-vax position of the trucker convoy.
Josh took issue with that characterization and specifically mentioned various conservative Anabaptist groups. And so I asked which Menno groups do oppose vaccines (the position of the convoy).
I read the article and I didn't see anything that was obviously wrong or biased.
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A fool can throw out more questions than a wise man can answer. -RZehr
Which branch of the Mennonite church opposes vaccines?
Which branch is in favor of vaccines? Can you find a position for the Eastern Mennonites? the Western Fellowship? the Mid Atlantic? the Nationwide?
Can you find people on both sides in those groups? do they acknowledge the truth of both positions? Most conservative Mennonites wouldn't have position papers they publish for public opinion to laud with praise.
In my church, the Bishop, the Bishop's adult children and their families, and several other families have a stance against fetal cells. I could conclude based on the members of my church that we (western fellowship) have a position against using fetal cell based vaccines. Does that mean we don't tolerate someone pro vaccine? sure we do, as long as they are respectful of their personal views.
Other groups are very focused on defending their position publically, but I would say the conservatives are not in that camp.
We were discussing a Canadian news article which stated that no mainstream Christian group supports the anti-vax position of the trucker convoy.
Josh took issue with that characterization and specifically mentioned various conservative Anabaptist groups. And so I asked which Menno groups do oppose vaccines (the position of the convoy).
I read the article and I didn't see anything that was obviously wrong or biased.
Hutterites rather openly supported the trucker convoy, if that helps answer your question.
My group doesn’t publish public position statements.
Ken, it's incorrect to call the protest an "anti-vax" event. Many protesters are vaccinated. It is an "anti-mandate" protest. As in, the government should respect people's right to choose what goes into their own body.
Signtist wrote: ↑Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:42 am
Ken, it's incorrect to call the protest an "anti-vax" event. Many protesters are vaccinated. It is an "anti-mandate" protest. As in, the government should respect people's right to choose what goes into their own body.
Would it be a better characterization to say that it is a protest of government overreach?
Signtist wrote: ↑Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:42 am
Ken, it's incorrect to call the protest an "anti-vax" event. Many protesters are vaccinated. It is an "anti-mandate" protest. As in, the government should respect people's right to choose what goes into their own body.
Would it be a better characterization to say that it is a protest of government overreach?
It started out as "anti-mandate", but yes, I think it evolved into a protest of government overreach.
Signtist wrote: ↑Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:42 am
Ken, it's incorrect to call the protest an "anti-vax" event. Many protesters are vaccinated. It is an "anti-mandate" protest. As in, the government should respect people's right to choose what goes into their own body.
Would it be a better characterization to say that it is a protest of government overreach?
I am sure many feel that way, but the organizers have kept with the same two demands. End vax mandates and the Trucker Passport requirements at the border. They have not moved to any other demands. They stay focused on these two reasonable points.
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