Coronavirus Outbreak

[Dan Z]

Is it from the number of cases or did they loose a number of people because of vaccine mandates?

Oh I’m sure they’ve lost a few due to mandates, although not too many. The hospital systems around here have been requiring vaccinations of Healthcare workers for years. It goes with the job. From what I hear, The main reasons our hospital system is overrun is because of a high volume of Covid patients Compounded by a lot of staff out due to testing positive.

That’s weird. If 100% of their staff are vaccinated, why are they out sick testing positive?

From what I hear, the capacity issues in our local hospital system mostly have to do with the relentless caseload of COVID patients they have been treating, es[pecially since the Delta variant came to MN (to date, primarily unvaccinated)...and only secondarily due to a loss of staff, in part due to "breakthrough" COVID infections, also partially due to attrition and burnout. Many of these folks are quite weary...and I feel for them.

[Josh]

That’s weird. If 100% of their staff are vaccinated, why are they out sick testing positive?

From what I hear, the capacity issues in our local hospital system mostly have to do with the relentless caseload of COVID patients they have been treating, es[pecially since the Delta variant came to MN (to date, primarily unvaccinated)...and only secondarily due to a loss of staff, in part due to "breakthrough" COVID infections, also partially due to attrition and burnout. Many of these folks are quite weary...and I feel for them.

I'll repeat my question. If the staff are vaccinated, why is there a loss of staff from "breakthrough" COVID infections?

The majority of people are vaccinated, and it's become obvious that many of the patients are too. So what exactly is your solution to this? It's become obvious that vaccinations are not helping bring down hospital workloads.

[GaryK]

Denmark health chief says Omicron is bringing about the END of the pandemic and 'we will have our normal lives back in two months'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... demic.html

I hope she's right!

[Dan Z]

That’s weird. If 100% of their staff are vaccinated, why are they out sick testing positive?

From what I hear, the capacity issues in our local hospital system mostly have to do with the relentless caseload of COVID patients they have been treating, es[pecially since the Delta variant came to MN (to date, primarily unvaccinated)...and only secondarily due to a loss of staff, in part due to "breakthrough" COVID infections, also partially due to attrition and burnout. Many of these folks are quite weary...and I feel for them.

I'll repeat my question. If the staff are vaccinated, why is there a loss of staff from "breakthrough" COVID infections?

The majority of people are vaccinated, and it's become obvious that many of the patients are too. So what exactly is your solution to this? It's become obvious that vaccinations are not helping bring down hospital workloads.

To answer your question again, as time has passed, the data show that some vaccinated people get infected (although the unvaccinated are 5X-10X more likely to become infected). However, the same data show the unvaccinated are hospitalized at over 10X the rate of the vaccinated, and they are 13X-20X more likely to die from COVID. That's how vaccines lighten hospital workloads.

[Josh]

From what I hear, the capacity issues in our local hospital system mostly have to do with the relentless caseload of COVID patients they have been treating, es[pecially since the Delta variant came to MN (to date, primarily unvaccinated)...and only secondarily due to a loss of staff, in part due to "breakthrough" COVID infections, also partially due to attrition and burnout. Many of these folks are quite weary...and I feel for them.

I'll repeat my question. If the staff are vaccinated, why is there a loss of staff from "breakthrough" COVID infections?

The majority of people are vaccinated, and it's become obvious that many of the patients are too. So what exactly is your solution to this? It's become obvious that vaccinations are not helping bring down hospital workloads.

To answer your question again, as time has passed, the data show that some vaccinated people get infected (although the unvaccinated are 5X-10X more likely to become infected). However, the same data show the unvaccinated are hospitalized at over 10X the rate of the vaccinated, and they are 13X=20X more likely to die from COVID. That's how vaccines lighten hospital workloads.

In other words, the vaccines don’t work. Every other vaccine I’ve taken has offered complete protection. Even something like measles offers herd immunity at 80%.

Meanwhile, places like Israel or Queensland with very high vaccination rates - QLD is over 90% - are getting surges in cases.

[temporal1]

Denmark health chief says Omicron is bringing about the END of the pandemic and 'we will have our normal lives back in two months'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... demic.html
I hope she's right!

.. from her lips to God’s ear ..

[Josh]

Looks like Sweden's approach worked - Sweden continues to drop lower and lower in the death-rate rankings - 148 deaths per 100,000 pop. Meanwhile, lockdown-obsessed Chile is 206 and UK 223. (Data from JHU.)

[nett]

Looks like Sweden's approach worked - Sweden continues to drop lower and lower in the death-rate rankings - 148 deaths per 100,000 pop. Meanwhile, lockdown-obsessed Chile is 206 and UK 223. (Data from JHU.)

Ken, where you at?

[Dan Z]

Denmark health chief says Omicron is bringing about the END of the pandemic and 'we will have our normal lives back in two months'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... demic.html

I hope she's right!

That has been my hope, that the pandemic would "flame out" with this highly contagious but milder Omicron variant. We should know by mid-Ferbuary if she is right.

[Ken]

Looks like Sweden's approach worked - Sweden continues to drop lower and lower in the death-rate rankings - 148 deaths per 100,000 pop. Meanwhile, lockdown-obsessed Chile is 206 and UK 223. (Data from JHU.)

The better comparison is to Norway with which Sweden shares a massively long and relatively open border. Two bordering countries with very similar populations and health systems that differ primarily on their approach to Covid management. Or Finland, with which it also shares a border. How do those three countries compare? Let's take a look: