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[temporal1]

So you ignore what I say and try to distract with personal attacks? That makes it hard to have a meaningful conversation. I'm not terribly interested in emotional one-liners.

unfortunately, i don’t always ignore what you write.

i typically ignore your charts+graphs, which have been frequently debunked by others’ charts+graphs. along with common knowledge, stats can be twisted to represent ANY chosen purpose. scrolling past is best.

did i request “a meaningful conversation” as narrowly defined by you? i don’t recall this.
like you, i share observations and experiences. this is a public discussion forum, discussion is invited.

THIS IS SCREAMING.
i’m not much for that. if you hear/sense screaming, i suggest reconsider other possibilities. (adjust your hearing aid?)
what i address to you is mild compared to various others. i’m always surprised when it’s noticed.

there isn’t much screaming on this forum. i’m happy to say.

[MaxPC]

If I ever said either of these things, would you please provide a link so I can see where I said it and apologize and retract it? If you don't have such a link, and you think making serious, false accusations is a bad thing, would you please retract your accusations?

I think you have a lot of retractions to make about others before you can expect this.

Regardless, you have accused people like me who don't want to use foetal stem cells of disregarding human life by not wanting to use vaccines made with foetal stem cells. This is a really serious accusation.

You have made it clear you have zero respect for our deeply-felt religious beliefs, and that you want to see us unemployed, unable to buy or sell any groceries, and unable to get a job.

Josh, I think these are both blatant lies. I don't believe either of those things, and I doubt that I said them.

If I ever said either of these things, would you please provide a link so I can see where I said it and apologize and retract it? If you don't have such a link, and you think making serious, false accusations is a bad thing, would you please retract your accusations?

This sure brings back a lot of memories of how you accused me of something very specific that wasn't true and I asked you to do exactly what you are asking Josh to do and to this day you have refused to do so.

Likewise, I agree with you nett and GaryK. I see some things have never changed.

[MaxPC]

Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor [perpetual animosity, resentment, strife, fault-finding] and slander be put away from you, along with every kind of malice [all spitefulness, verbal abuse, malevolence]. Be kind and helpful to one another, tender-hearted [compassionate, understanding], forgiving one another [readily and freely], just as God in Christ also forgave you.

Eph 4:31-32 AMP

Sudsy, I do not believe that nett, GaryK, Josh, Robert and others are bitter or fault-finding in this case. They are pointing out a pattern of behavior that repeats constantly in BSs posts: that of his accusation of others and when caught in his own double-standards, refusing to provide proof himself. His behavior has not changed in years. Case in point of this behavior: BS accused others of constantly bringing up Trump yet it is he who started the most threads on Trump.

Nett, Gary, Josh, et al are implementing the Biblical directive of correction of another. The fact that they have to do this so often with BS is indicative of BSs repetitive problematic behavior. It is not fault-finding on their part.

[Sudsy]

Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor [perpetual animosity, resentment, strife, fault-finding] and slander be put away from you, along with every kind of malice [all spitefulness, verbal abuse, malevolence]. Be kind and helpful to one another, tender-hearted [compassionate, understanding], forgiving one another [readily and freely], just as God in Christ also forgave you.

Eph 4:31-32 AMP

Sudsy, I do not believe that nett, GaryK, Josh, Robert and others are bitter or fault-finding in this case. They are pointing out a pattern of behavior that repeats constantly in BSs posts: that of his accusation of others and when caught in his own double-standards, refusing to provide proof himself. His behavior has not changed in years. Case in point of this behavior: BS accused others of constantly bringing up Trump yet it is he who started the most threads on Trump.

Nett, Gary, Josh, et al are implementing the Biblical directive of correction of another. The fact that they have to do this so often with BS is indicative of BSs repetitive problematic behavior. It is not fault-finding on their part.

I didn't care for the 'foe' option available on this forum but I have found since using it, when someone's behavior causes me anxiousness, I now put them on my 'foe' list and at times check out their posts in read-only mode to see if their behavior has changed to take them off the list. We also have a personal, messaging facility to deal with each other privately. So, I think we have other means available to privately deal with behavior issues.

Anyway, that is the route I'm taking and I gave that text as a reminder for us all to consider the lengths we need to go to as Christ forgives us.

[MaxPC]

Eph 4:31-32 AMP

Sudsy, I do not believe that nett, GaryK, Josh, Robert and others are bitter or fault-finding in this case. They are pointing out a pattern of behavior that repeats constantly in BSs posts: that of his accusation of others and when caught in his own double-standards, refusing to provide proof himself. His behavior has not changed in years. Case in point of this behavior: BS accused others of constantly bringing up Trump yet it is he who started the most threads on Trump.

Nett, Gary, Josh, et al are implementing the Biblical directive of correction of another. The fact that they have to do this so often with BS is indicative of BSs repetitive problematic behavior. It is not fault-finding on their part.

I didn't care for the 'foe' option available on this forum but I have found since using it, when someone's behavior causes me anxiousness, I now put them on my 'foe' list and at times check out their posts in read-only mode to see if their behavior has changed to take them off the list. We also have a personal, messaging facility to deal with each other privately. So, I think we have other means available to privately deal with behavior issues.

Anyway, that is the route I'm taking and I gave that text as a reminder for us all to consider the lengths we need to go to as Christ forgives us.

Sudsy, while admirable and certainly in line with the notion of "shaking the dust" Scripture, your post came across as a reprimand to the victims of BSs behaviors. On both MD and MN, BS has a very long history of these behaviors over the years. Quite a number of people on MD and MN have intervened off-list with BS. It has not helped and he continues in the behaviors. Instead, BS then complained to the moderators that he was being persecuted.

Everyone on MD and MN have, at one time or another, been victimised by BS. He has never apologised and yet demands apologies of others. The archives are replete with the evidence of his behaviors over the years. Most of BSs aggressive behaviors occurred in the politics forum which you avoid as you said. When others left the politics forum, BS brought those self-same behaviors over to other forums and continued. If you would, read this entire topic you will see an example.

I genuinely think there is a time to Biblically correct these behaviors as they occur and publicly (as indicated by Scriptures) when evidence over a number of years indicates no change to the said behaviors.

[MaxPC]

I didn't care for the 'foe' option available on this forum but I have found since using it, when someone's behavior causes me anxiousness, I now put them on my 'foe' list and at times check out their posts in read-only mode to see if their behavior has changed to take them off the list. We also have a personal, messaging facility to deal with each other privately. So, I think we have other means available to privately deal with behavior issues.

Anyway, that is the route I'm taking and I gave that text as a reminder for us all to consider the lengths we need to go to as Christ forgives us.

I'm pretty sure I'm on Sudsy's foe list, so they won't see this. I'm not 100% sure what they are referring to, but it's deeply concerning that my posts would cause someone anxiety. I have intentionally stayed away from making dire predictions about long term side-effects of the vaccine and things like that. While I am personally concerned for people who are vaccinated, I can't change it now.

My primary concern is that people are educated about the risks, and unknowns, and the statistical games being played to protect the mainstream narrative. They can use this information to make an informed decisions about being vaccinated, or getting a 3rd, 4th, 5th shot etc.

Meanwhile. Ken regularly fear-mongers about COVID, today saying Holmes County is full of "misery and death".

Nett, I do not see your posts as anxiety inducing. You are sharing your position regarding the topic and your viewpoint has merit. I feel Sudsy was trying to make peace but it does come across as victim blaming as I mentioned per my post here.

Everyone on MD and MN have, at one time or another, been victimised by BS. He has never apologised and yet demands apologies of others. The archives are replete with the evidence of his behaviors over the years. Most of BSs aggressive behaviors occurred in the politics forum. When others left the politics forum, BS brought those self-same behaviors over to other forums and continued.

I genuinely think there is a time to Biblically correct these behaviors as they occur and publicly (as indicated by Scriptures) when evidence over a number of years indicates no change to the said behaviors. You, Josh, Robert, GK, and a number of others have done so following the Biblical format through the years. Please do not feel that you are the perpetrator here. You are not.

[Bootstrap]

They are pointing out a pattern of behavior that repeats constantly in BSs posts: that of his accusation of others and when caught in his own double-standards, refusing to provide proof himself.

If I accuse someone in a thread, please cite that specific example, at the time, and I will either apologize, or if there is a good reason, provide proof.

But if you look at the thread in question, who was accusing whom? I think that's true in many of these threads. If you see an example where I am not following my standards, please do bring it up. Be specific. Do it at the time. My signature is meant to be a reminder to me of what I am trying to do here.

If you look at the thread this started in, I think I was on the receiving end of false accusations, and I did just that. Please feel free to do the same if you think I am doing so. You speak as though the moderators agree with you, I'm not sure that's the case. In general, I really am trying to talk about the topic and not about the other people in the conversation. That's easier if everyone stays away from personal attacks, giving and taking offense, insults, etc.

The other forums I am on don't allow that, they would remove such a post if flagged. The moderators here do not want to do that, I think that's a shame. Personal attacks and accusations can tend to take over, changing the character of a forum.

[MaxPC]

They are pointing out a pattern of behavior that repeats constantly in BSs posts: that of his accusation of others and when caught in his own double-standards, refusing to provide proof himself.

If I accuse someone in a thread, please cite that specific example, at the time, and I will either apologize, or if there is a good reason, provide proof.

But if you look at the thread in question, who was accusing whom? I think that's true in many of these threads. If you see an example where I am not following my standards, please do bring it up. Be specific. Do it at the time.

If you look at the thread this started in, I think I was on the receiving end of false accusations, and I did just that. Please feel free to do the same if you think I am doing so. You speak as though the moderators agree with you, I'm not sure that's the case. In general, I really am trying to talk about the topic and not about the other people in the conversation. That's easier if everyone stays away from personal attacks, giving and taking offense, insults, etc.

The other forums I am on don't allow that, they would remove such a post if flagged. The moderators here do not want to do that, I think that's a shame. Personal attacks and accusations can tend to take over, changing the character of a forum.

Same old game, BS. It does not work anymore. Everyone here is tired of it. Your best course of action is to apologise to the entire forum and change your behaviors. You have been told this before. Will you listen? Or will you continue playing your manipulative game? We shall see.

[Bootstrap]

Same old game, BS. It does not work anymore. Everyone here is tired of it. Your best course of action is to apologise to the entire forum and change your behaviors. You have been told this before. Will you listen? Or will you continue playing your manipulative game? We shall see.

Max, is there an example of an accusation I made in that thread? Can you quote it here?

You regularly make this claim, sometimes you go on and on. You do not provide examples. You act like you are a moderator, speaking for the forum as a whole. And then you say that I am the person who is making accusations and is unwilling to back them up. You do this in a way that makes it very hard to know what to apologize for.

To me, that feels like gaslighting. It's not brotherly correction. Brotherly correction brings up specific examples, at the time, explaining what is wrong, trying to help someone get it right. The goal is to do better, together, not to tear the other person down.

[MaxPC]

Same old game, BS. It does not work anymore. Everyone here is tired of it. Your best course of action is to apologise to the entire forum and change your behaviors. You have been told this before. Will you listen? Or will you continue playing your manipulative game? We shall see.

Max, is there an example of an accusation I made in that thread? Can you quote it here?

You regularly make this claim, sometimes you go on. You do not provide examples. You act like you are a moderator, speaking for the forum as a whole. And then you say that I am the person who is making accusations and is unwilling to back them up. You do this in a way that makes it very hard to know what to apologize for.

To me, that feels like gaslighting. It's not brotherly correction. Brotherly correction brings up specific examples, at the time, explaining what is wrong, trying to help someone get it right. The goal is to do better, together, not to tear the other person down.

BS is still avoiding apologies; still avoidjng personal responsibility. Sad, very sad.