Soloist wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 3:53 pm
You two would have to agree on what success looks like otherwise this is circle arguments.
That's true, so I'm pointing out the absurdity of only defining in success in number of COVID coded deaths.
I'm not trying to define success or failure. I made one simple point. Which was to take issue with Josh's specific assertion that Holmes County Ohio was doing much better than the rest of the country because it has both a low vaccination rate and a low reported Covid case rate. I did a deeper dive into the actual data and found that both deaths and hospitalizations in Holmes County greatly exceed both the statewide averages for Ohio as well as the nation. In fact, Holmes County numbers are higher than even the worst state in the country....Mississippi.
I have noticed that you and Josh have gone off in all manner of side tangents rather than dispute any of the data that I presented to make the case.
I think Holmes County is “successful” (and it doesn’t have an increase in excess deaths if one looks over a decade-long time span).
I don’t think Australia/NZ are a “success” when the population lives in prison like conditions and people are rounded up and sent to detention camps.
Or when you need an internal passport to travel between states. That’s not success.
mike wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 7:36 am
Daily new cases are now the highest on record in the US.
But the daily new deaths numbers are still hanging out where they have been for the last two months, despite the fact that cases have been climbing practically all that time.
That case spike is impressive...as is the disconnect thus far between cases and deaths. It will be interesting to see what hospitalization and death rates do in a few weeks (they tend to lag case rates), and once the holiday "noise" works through the system. It is hard to imagine deaths and hospitalizations not to go up to some degree...although with each successive wave death rates have, thankfully, been decoupling more and more from case rates.
Dan Z wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 12:52 pm
That case spike is impressive...as is the disconnect thus far between cases and deaths. It will be interesting to see what hospitalization and death rates do in a few weeks (they tend to lag case rates), and once the holiday "noise" works through the system. It is hard to imagine deaths and hospitalizations not to go up to some degree...although with each successive wave death rates have, thankfully, been decoupling more and more from case rates.
Cases have been rising generally for two months, without a real rise in deaths. However, the wild recent spike in cases has just been for the past week, so I suppose we could see some impact on deaths/hospitalizations from that. But all indications are that the virus is just less severe, for all those reasons we listed earlier.
The other factor is that with the holidays, reporting is delayed. So we'll see.
mike wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 7:36 am
Daily new cases are now the highest on record in the US.
But the daily new deaths numbers are still hanging out where they have been for the last two months, despite the fact that cases have been climbing practically all that time.
So this seems to validate the physicians predictions that the vaccinated would shed & cause more sickness
