Coronavirus Outbreak

[QuietlyListening]

You know, shortage of staff at hospitals is from many reasons. Covid and burnout, covid and hospitals overrun, nurses and other personnel quitting due to vaccination mandates.

Doctor shortages are also happening in some places while not in others. So while you may be able to get an apt with your doctor easily and no problems, others are having difficulty. It is area dependent and there is no one cause.

Some is covid related, some is related to where you live and may have been happening before covid but covid didn't help things, and some is just because things like this happen.

[nett]

Some of the shortage of staff may be a result of personnel quitting or being terminated because of their refusal to take the vaccine. Our neighbor lady has been a nurse (she hs been an RN for a number of years) in the local hospital for 25+ years. She doesn't know what she is going to do. The pressure is on to take the vaccine but she refuses to do that because of the adverse reactions that she has seen from the vaccine.

What has she seen firsthand? I've heard similar stores from a lot of medical professionals, but I've yet to see any reporting on it in the mainstream news.

[Ken]

Some of the shortage of staff may be a result of personnel quitting or being terminated because of their refusal to take the vaccine. Our neighbor lady has been a nurse (she hs been an RN for a number of years) in the local hospital for 25+ years. She doesn't know what she is going to do. The pressure is on to take the vaccine but she refuses to do that because of the adverse reactions that she has seen from the vaccine.

What has she seen firsthand? I've heard similar stores from a lot of medical professionals, but I've yet to see any reporting on it in the mainstream news.

I have. I read yesterday that severe anaphylactic reactions to the Pfizer vaccine are occurring at a rate of about 5 per million and for the Moderna vaccine, about 2.8 per million. So an individual nurse who has seen multiple severe adverse reactions (plural) will be rare indeed.

[Josh]

Some of the shortage of staff may be a result of personnel quitting or being terminated because of their refusal to take the vaccine. Our neighbor lady has been a nurse (she hs been an RN for a number of years) in the local hospital for 25+ years. She doesn't know what she is going to do. The pressure is on to take the vaccine but she refuses to do that because of the adverse reactions that she has seen from the vaccine.

What has she seen firsthand? I've heard similar stores from a lot of medical professionals, but I've yet to see any reporting on it in the mainstream news.

I have. I read yesterday that severe anaphylactic reactions to the Pfizer vaccine are occurring at a rate of about 5 per million and for the Moderna vaccine, about 2.8 per million. So an individual nurse who has seen multiple severe adverse reactions (plural) will be rare indeed.

Believe it or not, there are other adverse reactions other than that.

[nett]

Some of the shortage of staff may be a result of personnel quitting or being terminated because of their refusal to take the vaccine. Our neighbor lady has been a nurse (she hs been an RN for a number of years) in the local hospital for 25+ years. She doesn't know what she is going to do. The pressure is on to take the vaccine but she refuses to do that because of the adverse reactions that she has seen from the vaccine.

What has she seen firsthand? I've heard similar stores from a lot of medical professionals, but I've yet to see any reporting on it in the mainstream news.

I have. I read yesterday that severe anaphylactic reactions to the Pfizer vaccine are occurring at a rate of about 5 per million and for the Moderna vaccine, about 2.8 per million. So an individual nurse who has seen multiple severe adverse reactions (plural) will be rare indeed.

I've heard about adverse reactions from most of the nurses I know...and they've all seen more than 1 case. Something is not adding up.

[Wade]

Which has nothing to do with COVID and everything to do with hospitals extracting as much profit as possible by running bare-bones staff and not opening additional ICUs.

Not an accurate assessment.

Your wrong Ernie for where I live. We are in the hot spot for BC and live in one of the least vaccinated communities as well. I've spent the last week in the hospital many days and a few nights. It isn't very busy at all. Part of the reason is that what they are doing is only accepting Covid patients in major/regional hospitals. It overloads only certain hospitals which makes the news while others are much less busy. Two of the three doctors we talked with pre-surgery laughed at any mention of Covid. The third didn't know any details in us entering the hospital. And two sets of nurses (maternity and operating room) when they asked medical history and etc. forgot to even ask the COVID questions and literally had to come back and said oh yeah we forgot about COVID.

I was there to support my wife and when they brought me in a full blown hospital bed that the tilt functions didn't work I said I had no problem sleeping in the chair but they insisted in getting me another bed that worked. I also had an upset nurse when I was wearing a mask in our room while the nurses were there - I complied and took my mask off and then the nurses were satisfied.

If health care professionals that see these things everyday act like this while being in the hot spot for our province why would I ever believe the news and government people?! I have every reason to believe Josh is one of the few with accurate statements since he is lining up with what I have personally experienced.

Stop believing the news and only what can be verified online people, it misleads.

[nett]

Which has nothing to do with COVID and everything to do with hospitals extracting as much profit as possible by running bare-bones staff and not opening additional ICUs.

Not an accurate assessment.

How can you just throw that statement out? Are you a healthcare professional? Are you a hospital administrator? Have you worked in many hospitals in a variety of departments.

Josh has pretty unique insight into the financials of hospitals at a national level due to a past workplace. I think you should back up your statement or retract it.

[Soloist]

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/it ... 021-09-16/

ROME, Sept 16 (Reuters) - The Italian government approved on Thursday some of the strictest anti-COVID measures in the world, making it obligatory for all workers either to show proof of vaccination, a negative test or recent recovery from infection.

The new rules will come into force on Oct. 15 in the latest effort by Prime Minister Mario Draghi's broad coalition to persuade people to get inoculated and blunt contagion in one of the countries worst-hit by the virus.

Any worker who fails to present a valid health certificate will be suspended on no pay, but cannot be sacked, ministers told reporters after the cabinet approved the measures.

While I seriously object to this, they clearly recognize natural immunity as valid for a time.

People who ignore the decree and go to work regardless will face a fine of between 600 to 1,500 euros ($705-$1,175). The sanction for employers will be 400-1000 euros.

This is a no buy or sell for the vast majority of the people. Unless you are rich and live off of your wealth...

There have been sporadic protests aroundthe country in recent weeks against the growing pressure to get a jab, but most political parties as well as the main employers' federation have backed the move, hoping it will prevent further lockdowns.

at least if they continue having lockdowns it would show if the vaccine works...

Edit: I miss-read it, apparently they still have testing as an option so its not that much worse then us yet... 15 euro's a test. No info on how often or what is required to maintain the pass if you don't get vaccinated.

[Ernie]

Which has nothing to do with COVID and everything to do with hospitals extracting as much profit as possible by running bare-bones staff and not opening additional ICUs.

Not an accurate assessment.

So, you don't think it's accurate that hospitals are running with more bare-bones staff then they did 10 or 20 years ago?

I'm objecting to the words "nothing" and "everything". If you had used a word like "sometimes", it could be an accurate statement.

[Biblical Anabaptist]

Some of the shortage of staff may be a result of personnel quitting or being terminated because of their refusal to take the vaccine. Our neighbor lady has been a nurse (she hs been an RN for a number of years) in the local hospital for 25+ years. She doesn't know what she is going to do. The pressure is on to take the vaccine but she refuses to do that because of the adverse reactions that she has seen from the vaccine.

What has she seen firsthand? I've heard similar stories from a lot of medical professionals, but I've yet to see any reporting on it in the mainstream news.

I think I misspoke. I checked with my wife. She is not sure the neighbor saw anything firsthand. Sorry for leaving a wrong impression.