Josh wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 2:09 pm
Haiti also seems to have been untouched by covid.
Yes. If you have little to no national infrastructure for testing and reporting covid, you get to be "untouched by covid."
Is there an increase in deaths in Haiti? And it’s not accurate to say it has no infrastructure. Actually it’s a culture where people tend to go to the hospital when their kids have a cold, or at least that’s my wife said after her last visit down there.
Their President didn’t want to concede to the terms America (and Pfizer) wanted for vaccines, but he got assassinated.
Really? What terms were those?
And do you have any source at all other than debunked Facebook memes that the assassination of the Haitian president was in any way linked to Covid vaccines?
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One thing that may be an effect of the vaccine is that death rates relative to infections have dropped almost in half in the US. in January 1.4% of infected people died, that number is now down to .7% according to Worldometer. Last summer it was 1.8%.
Josh wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 2:09 pm
Haiti also seems to have been untouched by covid.
Yes. If you have little to no national infrastructure for testing and reporting covid, you get to be "untouched by covid."
I don't keep up with Haiti news but do keep up with Liberia news pretty much on a weekly basis and there just hasn't been a lot of talk about Covid or lots of excess deaths like there was when Ebola was ravaging the country.
I think part of the answer is that places like Libera and Haiti have very undeveloped health systems. Limited health care and reporting structures, especially in the rural areas, are likely to result in a vast undercount. Some studies surmised that is what was happening in places like India as well. comparing western developed nations to undeveloped countries is not likely an apples-to-apples comparison.
GaryK wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 12:25 pm
Having lived in Liberia, West Africa and knowing the poor living conditions and lack of quality healthcare in that region, I am very curious why Covid has not ravaged that region more.
Very curious indeed. It could be that what passes as “quality healthcare” by Westerners in 2021 actually isn’t, like putting people on ventilators that kill them, giving vaccines that don’t prevent a disease, and refusing simple treatments they work.
Africa is a huge consumer of ivermectin. That might be why covid is so rare there.
Ivermectin is primarily used to treat parasites, including lice, scabies, river blindness, and a whole assortment of intestinal worms. Those are all far more prevalent in Africa than any place else in the world. So it would be shocking if Africa wasn't a huge consumer of Ivermectin.
As for using it to treat Covid? Perhaps what is really happening is that people across the developing world are being forced to resort to alternative therapies because they have been unable to procure sufficient quantities of vaccine to immunize their populations. I expect that if you interviewed doctors and public health officials in every African country and gave them a choice between a supply of vaccine sufficient to treat their entire population, or a supply of Ivermectin to treat their entire population the answer would be deafening and unanimous.
So those African countries can achieve Israel's resounding success?
Very curious indeed. It could be that what passes as “quality healthcare” by Westerners in 2021 actually isn’t, like putting people on ventilators that kill them, giving vaccines that don’t prevent a disease, and refusing simple treatments they work.
Africa is a huge consumer of ivermectin. That might be why covid is so rare there.
Ivermectin is primarily used to treat parasites, including lice, scabies, river blindness, and a whole assortment of intestinal worms. Those are all far more prevalent in Africa than any place else in the world. So it would be shocking if Africa wasn't a huge consumer of Ivermectin.
As for using it to treat Covid? Perhaps what is really happening is that people across the developing world are being forced to resort to alternative therapies because they have been unable to procure sufficient quantities of vaccine to immunize their populations. I expect that if you interviewed doctors and public health officials in every African country and gave them a choice between a supply of vaccine sufficient to treat their entire population, or a supply of Ivermectin to treat their entire population the answer would be deafening and unanimous.
So those African countries can achieve Israel's resounding success?
I would rather catch Covid as a vaccinated person in Israel than as an unvaccinated person in say...Equatorial Guinea where they probably have plenty of Ivermectin available but little else in the way of modern medicine.
But that's just me I guess.
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Dan Z wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 2:48 pm
One thing that may be an effect of the vaccine is that death rates relative to infections have dropped almost in half in the US. in January 1.4% of infected people died, that number is now down to .7% according to Worldometer. Last summer it was 1.8%.
Add to this the fact that around 98% of cases are now occurring among unvaccinated persons, according to an August 15 article on Bloomberg.
Yes. If you have little to no national infrastructure for testing and reporting covid, you get to be "untouched by covid."
I don't keep up with Haiti news but do keep up with Liberia news pretty much on a weekly basis and there just hasn't been a lot of talk about Covid or lots of excess deaths like there was when Ebola was ravaging the country.
I think part of the answer is that places like Libera and Haiti have very undeveloped health systems. Limited health care and reporting structures, especially in the rural areas, are likely to result in a vast undercount. Some studies surmised that is what was happening in places like India as well. comparing western developed nations to undeveloped countries is not likely an apples-to-apples comparison.
I don't disagree about the limited health care and reporting structures in these countries. My point is that unlike Ebola, which was all over Liberian news while it was ravaging the country, Covid has not been. Some mentions here and there during the course of the pandemic but nothing like Ebola news. This makes me believe that Liberia is not experiencing a lot of sickness and death related to Covid.
I don't keep up with Haiti news but do keep up with Liberia news pretty much on a weekly basis and there just hasn't been a lot of talk about Covid or lots of excess deaths like there was when Ebola was ravaging the country.
I think part of the answer is that places like Libera and Haiti have very undeveloped health systems. Limited health care and reporting structures, especially in the rural areas, are likely to result in a vast undercount. Some studies surmised that is what was happening in places like India as well. comparing western developed nations to undeveloped countries is not likely an apples-to-apples comparison.
I don't disagree about the limited health care and reporting structures in these countries. My point is that unlike Ebola, which was all over Liberian news while it was ravaging the country, Covid has not been. Some mentions here and there during the course of the pandemic but nothing like Ebola news. This makes me believe that Liberia is not experiencing a lot of sickness and death related to Covid.
It probably isn't right now. But with a vaccination rate of 0.6% they are probably extremely vulnerable to a delta variant outbreak if someone carries it into the country.
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A fool can throw out more questions than a wise man can answer. -RZehr
I think part of the answer is that places like Libera and Haiti have very undeveloped health systems. Limited health care and reporting structures, especially in the rural areas, are likely to result in a vast undercount. Some studies surmised that is what was happening in places like India as well. comparing western developed nations to undeveloped countries is not likely an apples-to-apples comparison.
I don't disagree about the limited health care and reporting structures in these countries. My point is that unlike Ebola, which was all over Liberian news while it was ravaging the country, Covid has not been. Some mentions here and there during the course of the pandemic but nothing like Ebola news. This makes me believe that Liberia is not experiencing a lot of sickness and death related to Covid.
It probably isn't right now. But with a vaccination rate of 0.6% they are probably extremely vulnerable to a delta variant outbreak if someone carries it into the country.
In June and July they had a small spike in cases but it appears there are very few cases presently. I don't know if that spike was the delta variant or not.
