temporal1 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 11:10 amRobert wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 12:11 amHere is one of your condescending comments. You said you wanted details. Here is one.
This information has just been found through courts forcing ballets to be released for validation. If this is true, it should be investigated. This would clearly be fraud. I care that fraud is found and stopped. Anyone who wants a strong democracy would want that too. Democracy DOESN'T work if there is fraud.
And the tactic of attacking the messenger instead of the message has, again, been played.
Here, again, direction from the forum’s admin/owner is refuted and ignored, with divisive language and escalation of tribal warfare. In the vast majority of cases, members here accept leadership direction, often apologizing, then moving on in the spirit of learning, and learning to do better.
Very rarely has any member been blocked, most have voluntarily respected admin/mods.
Doing otherwise is simply mirroring the world’s present partisan politics, it damages this forum.
Robert leads this forum with a vastly more interactive approach than Hans did with MD. Hans was typically not available to help mods, or comment on anything.
i don’t believe tribe-building against leadership is a good path. But it is the popular method in secular partisan politics.In my meager observation, no member has been more “in your face” defiant against Robert.temporal1 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 07, 2021 9:00 am
opinions. never a shortage, eh?
i hesitate to add this.![]()
in the past, mod justme sometimes would request 3rd parties refrain, i think, esp when admin+mods involve themselves, which is NOT overly frequently on this forum. i agree with this. it’s important to respect leadership, often a thankless job.
in our families, does every child have an equal or greater voice than father/parents? if so, i’m sorry for those families.
someone has to lead. no leadership is perfect, so, sometimes, imperfection happens.
it’s damaging to families when decisions become popularity contests, or by purely democratic vote. that’s mob rule.
in a family with 2 parents and 7 children, democratic votes will ensure chocolate cake instead of dinner, every night.![]()
on this forum, when most receive “direction” or scolding from mods - they don’t call for a vote / others’ opinions.
it’s harmful to the health of the forum. it’s divisive. (i’m NOT suggesting harm is intentional.)
my first suggestion is to abide by justme’s request to let admin+mods do their jobs: refrain from adding opinions (on open forum).
second, when admin+mods speak, don’t auto-default to calling for others’ public opinions. this is an effective way of undermining leadership.
(i see) the dynamics much as a family situation, or church situation.
for reasonable function, popular or not, chosen or appointed leadership must be allowed to do their jobs.
i’m not sure, but i think i recall some reference to these things in the past, maybe probably by Robert, when MN was in early stages? possibly some of those early threads have been archived? i don’t know.
i don’t think i’m suggesting anything new here. just trying to recall Robert’s early MN framework.
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And, no one has received more caring response, time, effort, patience, tolerance, than boot. Years of it. Entire threads have been created by Robert to interact with boot. Who has received such personal attention, tolerance, and investment?
This is my personal outside perspective.
i expected bunny trails.