Ken wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:04 pm
Point being, weapons designed for modern combat are not optimal for most hunting and vice versa.
Many people use them for target practice. They get enjoyment out of it. Why should that be illegal when they are hurting no one doing it?
If you follow upstream you will find that I said that gun control isn't really my burning issue, and probably not even in my top 10. But generally speaking I think they should be treated more like cars. Or more like buying explosives such as dynamite. Licenses to own and purchase, liability insurance required. Strict storage and safety standards enforced. Wholesale and retail sales more strictly regulated to keep weapons out of the hands of unstable and irresponsible people. Red flag laws. That sort of thing. You can buy explosives if you need them for farm work and such. They are not illegal. But there are strict licensing requirements, an audit trail required, strict storage and handling requirements, and so forth.
In any event, I was just responding to RZehr about using military-style weapons for hunting. If I'm going deer, elk, or moose hunting like I used to then I'm going to want a longer barreled traditional bolt action rifle that has a high-powered flat trajectory and more stopping power like a .300 Win Mag. Not some short-barreled AR-style weapon in a smaller NATO cartridge. In 3 decades of hunting I've never taken more than one shot at a time. But I guess if I'm just target shooting then the smaller cheaper rounds are going to be better.
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Came across this statistic today. Seems rather relevant to this thread. Rather astonishing to see how far off the map we are here in the US when it comes to gun ownership and gun violence.
You can click through to the source link that I provided. Most of those countries have far higher crime rates.
When you look at the actual crime rate in the US it is fairly average to low compared to other developed countries.
But when you look at the murder rate, it is triple. Largely because of the excess of guns. American's aren't more violent than other countries, they are just much more deadly due to all the weapons.
I'm not sure why you are so eager to hand-wave away the obvious gun problem we have in this country.
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Ken wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 7:42 pm
You can click through to the source link that I provided. Most of those countries have far higher crime rates.
When you look at the actual crime rate in the US it is fairly average to low compared to other developed countries.
But when you look at the murder rate, it is triple. Largely because of the excess of guns. American's aren't more violent than other countries, they are just much more deadly due to all the weapons.
I'm not sure why you are so eager to hand-wave away the obvious gun problem we have in this country.
I’m not so sure why you answer to any situation is more liberal talking points, like asserting that the problem is guns themselves, as opposed to the people choosing to use guns to murder others.
Violent crime is commonplace and exists in other countries with very strict gun control, like Brazil. In my home country of Australia, gun violence keeps rising every year - the only people with any guns are criminals, as self defence is basically outlawed. The police’s answer is “lock your doors”, “don’t leave valuables in your car”, “install a home alarm”.
If you have a plan for reducing violent crime first,
I’d be more receptive to hearing how you want to disarm law-abiding people.
Josh wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 10:24 amViolent crime is commonplace and exists in other countries with very strict gun control, like Brazil. In my home country of Australia, gun violence keeps rising every year - the only people with any guns are criminals, as self defence is basically outlawed. The police’s answer is “lock your doors”, “don’t leave valuables in your car”, “install a home alarm”.
If you have a plan for reducing violent crime first,
I’d be more receptive to hearing how you want to disarm law-abiding people.
If you want to compare Australia and the United States, we can do so. Let's see...
So what is the biggest difference between Australia and the US? Overall crime rates about equal. So it isn't the number of criminals or the amount of crime. What could it be? It can't have anything to do with the fact that there are 10x more guns per capita in the US compared to Australia. Because as we all know, "Guns don't kill people, people kill people"
I'm actually not interested in banning firearms. I just think they should be regulated like other dangerous consumer product such as say...cars.
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Josh wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 8:38 am
For a solution, look south, towards Tecoluca. El Salvador now boasts a murder rate half of America’s.
Yes, they have very strict new gun laws in El Salvador don't they? 3-5 year prison sentence for even being caught on the street with an unregistered firearm. They have very strict registration and licensing requirements. Gun sales are highly regulated (no private sales). You have to get a license to own firearms at your local police station, pass a strict background check, and register all firearms with the police. And no one under age of 24 can carry in public, concealed or otherwise.
Sounds like they are on to something.
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