joshuabgood wrote:I know I have said it before...but here goes again. I wouldn't begin to vote for or support leftwing politics or politicians. You never see me pull a lever for Biden or Hillary or any of them. I am prolife and have a traditional Biblical view of sexuality.
joshuabgood wrote:I think it is intended to name a kingdom view of salvation and national government. More or less along the lines of what I tried to outline in the video I recorded on Kingdom Christianity and the Anabaptist Vision. Alternate perspectives would be the individual salvation and patriotic American exceptionalism of the protestant fundamentalists.
In both cases I think you are defining things more narrowly than others are viewing them.
Perhaps you could clarify for me how when gets in the "supporting leftwing politics box." It seems pretty much, take the a separate view from Fox regarding racism and immigration and one goes into the supporting leftwing bucket. And let me know of course how one gets out.
Maybe if I posted a pic of all my conservative books and thinkers that have influenced me...coming right up.
I'd welcome your take on what is meant by Kingdom Christianity but to me it is a clear statement against patriotism and the nation-state and against a good news of merely personal salvation and hellfire insurance from an angry God.
My perspective may be influenced by having been a left wing person for quite a while, including lots of exposure around left wing Mennonites. It’s one of those things I can simply know by feel.
Josh wrote:“ On the other hand, some I think, hope to be voices of influence, pulling the CA movement away from rightwing politics, fundamentalist protestantism, neo-reformism, charismaticism, and prosperityism, etc - toward a more authentic Anabaptist Vision”
I find it concerning left wing politics and liberal-progressivism aren’t in this list.
The response to the "left wing politics" is noted. The response to the "liberal-progressivism" is conspicuously absent.
Or maybe putting it this way would better fit the thread:
Josh wrote:“ On the other hand, some I think, hope to be voices of influence, pulling the CA movement away from rightwing politics, fundamentalist protestantism, neo-reformism, charismaticism, and prosperityism, etc - toward a more authentic Anabaptist Vision”
I find it concerning left wing politics and liberal-progressivism aren’t in this list.
The response to the "left wing politics" is noted. The response to the "liberal-progressivism" is conspicuously absent.
Josh wrote:“ On the other hand, some I think, hope to be voices of influence, pulling the CA movement away from rightwing politics, fundamentalist protestantism, neo-reformism, charismaticism, and prosperityism, etc - toward a more authentic Anabaptist Vision”
I find it concerning left wing politics and liberal-progressivism aren’t in this list.
The response to the "left wing politics" is noted. The response to the "liberal-progressivism" is conspicuously absent.
What is the difference? They are synonyms to me.
I would understand "liberal-progressivism" to encompass views related to philosophy (including ethics, logic, epistemology), economics, anthropology, sociology (including ethnic relations and social conflict, criminology and victimology), and a variety of other fields that go well beyond what I would include in politics. Not that I think you currently have LP views in all of these areas necessarily, but it's sort of like kudzu.
I wonder if there’s done generational differences going on. The most active participants on DKCM seem to skew pretty young and are much more comfortable with social media and memes than I think a lot of folks on MN are. I am sometimes surprised by the awareness of race and sexual abuse some of them are, which is not something I remember CM churches being that aware of when I was younger.
MennoDiscuss also began as a project of young CA’s and it’s become something different over the past decade or so. I also remember discussion about how inappropriate it was for Christians to participate in web forums and that you could never really build community online. On the one hand that’s true, we really do need face-to-face contact, but on the other hand, I’ve known some of you virtually for over a decade, and that also seems to me that MN is some sort of community as well.
I think an ongoing theme I’ve witnessed over the years is that the older generation of CA’s is often afraid that the next generation is too liberal and progressive, so there’s lots of gate keeping and tension but things eventually seem to work out.
Well, I’m the same generation (or younger) as the active participants in DKCM. I’m also a lot more familiar with the Internet culture at hand than they would be; I just choose not to indulge in it these days.
Szdfan wrote:I wonder if there’s done generational differences going on. The most active participants on DKCM seem to skew pretty young and are much more comfortable with social media and memes than I think a lot of folks on MN are. I am sometimes surprised by the awareness of race and sexual abuse some of them are, which is not something I remember CM churches being that aware of when I was younger.
MennoDiscuss also began as a project of young CA’s and it’s become something different over the past decade or so. I also remember discussion about how inappropriate it was for Christians to participate in web forums and that you could never really build community online. On the one hand that’s true, we really do need face-to-face contact, but on the other hand, I’ve known some of you virtually for over a decade, and that also seems to me that MN is some sort of community as well.
I think an ongoing theme I’ve witnessed over the years is that the older generation of CA’s is often afraid that the next generation is too liberal and progressive, so there’s lots of gate keeping and tension but things eventually seem to work out.
It seems to me that most of the DKCMers are former members of conservative Anabaptist denominations but I could be wrong.
Part of it may be generational, but some of what is driving what JoshScott called "crowds of people and groups in orbit around conservative Mennonitism" is that conservative Mennonites have some serious problems that are largely being ignored. So while the "conservatives" condemn those who don't wear the correct clothing or engage on the internet correctly, or etc., they are ignoring huge issues like sexual abuse or the sin of favoritism or materialism or contentious/hateful church splits.
Conservative Mennonites can get upset about there being places like DKCM, but I don't think they can wash their hands of it and say they haven't helped create its content.
Wade wrote:As representatives of the heavenly kingdom do you think there will be talking and memes like this in heaven? If you do then continue on but if not then please just take Kingdom Christian out of the name rather than the gross misrepresentation of God and His kingdom. Therefore these memes are an attack on an Individual and His character.
I'm not on Facebook and never created a meme. The ones condemning DKCM and the people involved also say they are representatives of the Kingdom. It gets a bit laughable if we're going to engage in a "Who represents the Kingdom contest?" The King might tell us that none of us do.
