Who speaks for the black community?

[Robert]

apportion far less money and resources to schools in poor communities compared to wealthy communities

This is not a racial issue, it is an economics issue.

[Ken]

apportion far less money and resources to schools in poor communities compared to wealthy communities

This is not a racial issue, it is an economics issue.

Which is exactly the argument that the states have been making.

When it is argued that schools in poor black communities have far less resources than schools in wealthy white communities the state makes that exact argument. The schools are crummy because they are poor. The fact that they are also black is just some random coincidence but not intentional.

That argument has not been winning in court as of late. Not in Texas and not in Washington where there have been relatively recent lawsuits. Fixing the problem is more difficult than identifying it. Courts have the authority to rule on the legality of educational funding systems. But they don't have the authority to re-write the laws or change the tax and funding system for schools to make it more equitable. So we are at a standstill in many places.

[Ms. Izzie]

Could the economics issue have been preceded by a racial issue? Why are these communities poor?-- seems like an important question to ask.

[Ken]

Could the economics issue have been preceded by a racial issue? Why are these communities poor?-- seems like an important question to ask.

What do you think?

Do you think that poor black communities in the south have just always been poor for some mysterious reason?

Or do you think 200 years of slavery followed by 100 years of Jim Crow segregation and discrimination may have played a role?

[Robert]

Or do you think 200 years of slavery followed by 100 years of Jim Crow segregation and discrimination may have played a role?

Yes, and this is why we have Affirmative Action and EOC.

Research shows that if a black family moves out of the inner city, they do about as well as a white family. All the housing, utility and living subsidies keep people locked into the inner city and the lifestyle that is being promoted by the government there. You get what you pay for. The government gives assistance to single parent families more than married families. The government subsidies utilities, rent, and welfare more for single parents than for married families. Single parent families in the inner city seem to foster gangs and criminal behavior. Gangs and criminal behavior brings more policing. Neighborhoods want to hide those being sought for crimes because they did the same and do not want to see their children arrested. They protect the criminals. Police are forced to increase their tactics to ferret out the criminals. To do this, Police militarize. Politicians found they are a nice voting block, so they make sure to keep the inner city subsidized and intact so they get reelected. Politicians externalize the blame so it is someone else's fault.

Many minorities have moved out of the inner city and done quite well. Many actually have higher income than those around them if they work in education or government because of Affirmative Action.

Don't be fooled (bamboozled). The politicians know how to fix this, but they want to be reelected so they keep the system going.

[Bootstrap]

A good overview of black political groups in the United States:

Charles Booker, Jamaal Bowman And The 7 Competing Camps In Black Politics

[Ken]

Or do you think 200 years of slavery followed by 100 years of Jim Crow segregation and discrimination may have played a role?

Yes, and this is why we have Affirmative Action and EOC.

We actually have very little Affirmative Action in the US. In fact it is banned by law in many states including my own state of WA. And a lot of things that are called 'affirmative action' like increased military recruiting in minority communities, really aren't affirmative action in the original sense of the word. And the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action in the past have been white women.

In higher education there is actually far more affirmative action for wealthy white students through legacy admissions and wealthy sports like lacrosse and sailing than there are through programs designed to benefit minorities. Like how Jared Kushner got into Harvard. https://www.propublica.org/article/jare ... s-a-leg-up

[Robert]

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[Robert]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/absurd-c ... the-police

“Egregious, grotesque, absurd, crazy, ridiculous. These are a handful of the words that some local African American leaders are using to rebuke the Minneapolis City Council’s moves toward dismantling the Police Department, even as they demand an overhaul of law enforcement,” the Tribune reported Thursday. “While the movement to defund the police has been driven by Black activists, others say that city politicians rushed the process and failed to include a police chief who has the backing of many Black residents.”

One of the black leaders, the former president of the NAACP Minneapolis, accused the city council of showing “a complete disregard for the voices and perspectives of many members of the African American community.”

“We have not been consulted as the city makes its decisions, even though our community is the one most heavily impacted by both police violence and community violence,” said former NAACP leader Nekima Levy Armstrong, as reported by the Tribune. Armstrong went on to accuse the council of “seizing upon the national spotlight to look as if they’re making a difference.”

Pastor Brian Herron leveled a similar accusation, saying the council was simply “pandering,” according to the Tribune.

Of particular concern is the city council’s mandate that a person with “non-law enforcement experience” must head up its new public safety department, as the current chief of police is African American.

“Why now, when you have an African American chief who is highly regarded and trusted in the Black community?” Urban League Twin Cities CEO Steven Belton asked. “This strikes me as being passive-aggressive Minnesota Nice on steroids. This is a hit on Chief Arradondo.”

Council Member Jeremiah Ellison defended the council’s actions and appeared to try to downplay the significance of the black leaders voicing complaints, saying, “The Black community is not a monolith, and just because there’s someone that might have a high profile doesn’t meant that they necessarily speak on behalf of the Black community of Minneapolis.”

[Robert]

Was not sure if I should add this to Reforming the Police or here. Another example of people not seeing a massive need for reform. Her comment about they are the ones who come when no one else will is very telling.

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