Who speaks for the black community?

[Robert]

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[Grace]

Black Lives Matter and Democrats proclaim they are a voice for the Black people. However these same people are in full support of Planned Parenthood. Planned Parenthood was founded not simply as an organization for limiting the size of families in general but more particularly to reduce the reproduction of the black population in the United States. The percentages of the killing of black unborn babies are much higher than for white babies.

Planned Parenthood’s founder Margaret Sanger on controlling blacks: "The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to get out that we want to exterminate the Negro population"

I wonder if the Democrats will disavow themselves from one of their hero’s racist eugenics believer, Margaret Sanger. Will Black Lives Matter remove her from their culture and pull down statues of her?

[Bootstrap]

We've been asked to listen to black voices and we’ve been told that if we’re only listening to those voices with whom we agree, that we are perhaps hypocrites or maybe low-key racists. We’ve been told that we ought to listen to the majority of black voices on this issue, voices with whom we most likely disagree.

Take a look at the OP. I wasn't calling people hypocrites or low-key racists. Here's the bulk of the OP again.

Polls are one of the best ways to find out what the black community thinks.

Do You Know How Divided White And Black Americans Are On Racism?

For instance, 91% of blacks believe that police do not treat black people and white people equally. 88% of blacks believe that race was a major factor in George Floyd's death. 87% believe that police are more likely to use excessive force if the suspect is black. That's why they are speaking out. 77% of black Americans support the George Floyd protests. When you get numbers like that, I think it is fair to say these beliefs are representative of the black community.

As people have pointed out, there is not one "black community", these opinions span black communities.

Appleman did a fine job, I think, of explaining why it is dangerous to axiomatically accept the veracity of a majority opinion on any issue; he makes a good case for why minority opinions are necessary and important and often right. Nevertheless, 60, 70, 80 percent of black voices all saying something similar about a particular issue is a thing that cannot and should not be easily dismissed; and so for that reason I agree that we ought to listen and try to understand.

Especially when they are opinions about what people like them experience, and more so the higher the numbers get.

Really, my main point was that we should let people speak for themselves. Polls are not the only way to do that.

For myself, in these past few weeks I have tried to listen but I’ve noticed something. It’s been very difficult to understand what it is that the majority of black voices and their allies are saying with respect to an idea like ‘Systemic Racism’. I understand the concept in the abstract, and I can understand specific concrete examples of it in history e.g. ‘Jim Crow Laws’ - what I am having a difficult time understanding though are the ways in which ‘systemic racism’ manifests itself in real and concrete ways in society and in people’s lives in the present moment.

I'd like to spin that into a separate thread.

[Bootstrap]

Black Lives Matter and Democrats proclaim they are a voice for the Black people.

But how would you measure what black people themselves believe? Don't they have their own voices? I don't think the Democratic party tells black people what to believe and say.

I mean, the Ku Klux Klan claims they are a voice for white people. That doesn't mean that most white people agree.

Polls are one way to find out where there is agreement and where there is not. In general, there's always an issue when a bunch of white people sit around talking about what black people believe and black people are not part of the conversation. Joy and Valerie have talked about conversations they have had - I think that's helpful too. Might be worth spinning some of those out further too.

But I'm trying to imagine what would happen if I posted Facebook videos about what white people think or should think from highly politicized sources. Would you think they represented you?

[Grace]

But how would you measure what black people themselves believe? Don't they have their own voices? I don't think the Democratic party tells black people what to believe and say.

Yes the black community have their own voices. So why then did you start a whole thread on "who speaks for the black community "? Some of them (not all) seem to be doing a good job speaking for themselves, with the help of BLM and ANTIA, both founded by Democrats.

[Bootstrap]

So why then did you start a whole thread on "who speaks for the black community "?

Read the first post in this thread carefully, see if it answers this question for you. If not, I'm happy to discuss until you understand, if you want to approach it as a friendly conversation where you are curious about what I am trying to say and why.

[Robert]

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HK:
.. The pathos of the BLM movement and notions of ‘systemic racism et al.’ feels right - I get that, more than some that read me might believe. ..

possibly, those that read you are just a teeny bit more sophisticated than might be presumed.

for myself, alone, i don’t abide organized political blocs. i accept that you might.
i do not attempt to read others’ minds. there are good minds on this forum. some good readers.
i’m a hack. but, i try.

organized blocs begin with some very attractive premise, but go off into ditches.
loyalty to them equates to loyalty to unwanted bad things, for instance, both verbal and physical bullying, and, in this case, promotion of abortion.

for myself, definitely, black lives matter, all lives matter, but, “no, thanks” to BLM, and other blocs.
Jesus Christ is enough.

[temporal1]

San Diego: 16,000 People and 135 Churches Unite in Prayer in 1 City:
‘God Can Heal all of the Unrest'
https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2020/ju ... -our-cries

Miles McPherson, senior pastor of San Diego's Rock Church highlighted the huge turnout at the rally last weekend ..

"I know that God always hears our cries, and I can't wait to hear what God has done, not only in people's hearts, but in families and businesses, in people's health and relationships," he said. "I believe over the next days and weeks and months we're gonna see the fruit of what happened today."

Minneapolis, Atlanta, Lakeland, FL, were mentioned as having similar spiritual events.
(i saw no mention in mainstream news.)

God works without the mainstream.

[JimFoxvog]

Black Lives Matter and Democrats proclaim they are a voice for the Black people. However these same people are in full support of Planned Parenthood. Planned Parenthood was founded not simply as an organization for limiting the size of families in general but more particularly to reduce the reproduction of the black population in the United States. The percentages of the killing of black unborn babies are much higher than for white babies. ...

I believe that black lives matter. I more often vote for Democrats. However, I think you may be right about one of the motivations of the founders of Planned Parenthood. I doubt that is a current motivation of PP leadership today, but it still is an unintended result. I think abortion is a blind spot for many Democrats, who on most issues are for the protection of those with less power.