Who speaks for the black community?

[Bootstrap]

This is a typical Bootstrap discussion:

“My data is right and your data is wrong. Here’s how the facts and evidence prove me right.”

Actually, typical Bootstrap is "please discuss the subject and stop returning to your pet political peeves".

So far, my data is the only data in this thread that is even about the subject of this thread. What do most black people believe about police brutality and racism? If you have good data on that question, please bring it.

Or if you have other ways of getting at the question of what most black Americans believe about these topics, feel free to explain how you are going about it. But please take the question seriously and don't try to drown the subject out.

[Robert]

If you took the time to look at and respond to the data in the polls I have presented

Your polls are about how people feel. I presented facts. Are you saying feelings are more important than facts as us whites banter about who speaks for the black community since there is none here to speak?

[Ms. Izzie]

Conservative Anabaptists are playing a game when they listen to a minority of the black community because it fits a narrative they agree with when in their own churches they will not listen to the minority voices in their own culture because it doesn't fit the narrative they want to hear.

[ken_sylvania]

When black people are out on the streets saying "I can't breathe", why do we keep returning to partisan political narratives that say this doesn't matter? Why is it so hard to even have a thread that asks us to focus on ways to see how widespread these concerns are for black Americans?

"partisan political narratives that say this doesn't matter?'
really? But the other side that tries so hard to politicise every incident. That actually does flame things very clearly for political purposes gets a clear pass?
I am tired of being told that only some black voices matter. And being told that listening to others is some how racist. I really am. It is just wrong.

Actually, even framing black people as "the other side" when they protest against police brutality is just a symptom of people on the political right insisting on politicizing everything. Drowning out opinion polls with clips from The Blaze and insisting that they are the real blacks we should listen to - when 94% of black people in America disagree with them - is politicizing everything.

I think you know good and well that Appleman doesn't do this. I'm certain that "other side" in his comment was not code for "black people."

[temporal1]

“Who speaks for the black community?”

ken_s:
I think you know good and well that Appleman doesn't do this. I'm certain that "other side" in his comment was not code for "black people."

organized political blocs are best avoided.

they begin with some appealing thread of truth, then descend into bullying tactics, including verbal abuse, physical abuse, and, their current favorite: commandeering legal language and human law.

organized political blocs are not of Jesus Christ.

.. And that's how we shut black people up.

only if you believe the DNC and their crafted+funded political blocs “speak for the black community” .. Perhaps THIS is the crux of your subject line, OP, and thread. The DNC speaks for “the” black community, i.e., “the” only black community that matters. From that perspective, your reasoning adds up.

It also explains biden’s recent quizzical words, “you ain’t black,” if you don’t vote for him.

[Bootstrap]

Actually, even framing black people as "the other side" when they protest against police brutality is just a symptom of people on the political right insisting on politicizing everything. Drowning out opinion polls with clips from The Blaze and insisting that they are the real blacks we should listen to - when 94% of black people in America disagree with them - is politicizing everything.

I think you know good and well that Appleman doesn't do this. I'm certain that "other side" in his comment was not code for "black people."

Now that you say that, I can see it. But really, isn't he framing the opinions of the vast majority of black people as just the other political side? That's precisely what "politicizing" means.

Look at what people say to divert attention from what black people are saying in poll results and other places. It's usually either something about what's wrong with black people, an appeal to partisan politics, some grievance about being white, or a cheap appeal to religion. It tells us we really should not listen to black people telling us what they are upset about, we should listen to one of these other things instead.

The distraction frequently involves stirring up resentment against the Democratic party or stirring up resentment against blacks. It often involves identifying with emotional right-wing partisan political sources.

And that's how we shut black people up. Sometimes in the name of Jesus!

[ken_sylvania]

Actually, even framing black people as "the other side" when they protest against police brutality is just a symptom of people on the political right insisting on politicizing everything. Drowning out opinion polls with clips from The Blaze and insisting that they are the real blacks we should listen to - when 94% of black people in America disagree with them - is politicizing everything.

I think you know good and well that Appleman doesn't do this. I'm certain that "other side" in his comment was not code for "black people."

Now that you say that, I can see it. But really, isn't he framing the opinions of the vast majority of black people as just the other political side? That's precisely what "politicizing" means.

No, he wasn't framing the opinions of black people. C'mon, read what you wrote, and then his response to it. What he's saying is he is tired of being called a partisan for rejecting the political aspect of the protests.

[Bootstrap]

No, he wasn't framing the opinions of black people. C'mon, read what you wrote, and then his response to it. What he's saying is he is tired of being called a partisan for rejecting the political aspect of the protests.

Again, completely ignoring all of the poll results that have been quoted here. Bringing up politics instead.

How about a reset? If we try really, really hard, maybe we can actually focus on what these polls are telling us, discussing them in detail, thinking about how that might motivate people who feel that way.

Polls are one of the best ways to find out what the black community thinks.

Do You Know How Divided White And Black Americans Are On Racism?

For instance, 91% of blacks believe that police do not treat black people and white people equally. 88% of blacks believe that race was a major factor in George Floyd's death. 87% believe that police are more likely to use excessive force if the suspect is black. That's why they are speaking out. 77% of black Americans support the George Floyd protests. When you get numbers like that, I think it is fair to say these beliefs are representative of the black community.

Sure, that means that there are black people who do not feel this way. But they are a distinct minority. Candace Owens does not get most of her support from the black community.

And you might be surprised how many white Americans agree with most black Americans on some of these issues.

None of those are partisan political views. Suppose we assume our black brethren are intelligent people who are speaking out of their own experiences. What does that say to us as Christians who care about the lives of black people?

[Bootstrap]

If this graph accurately represents the views of white people and black people, doesn't this tell us that many black people will get frustrated trying to even tell many white people what they think and feel?

And perhaps that should tell us that we need to try harder to listen.

I don't know what "justice" means if we don't want better than this.

[temporal1]

“Who speaks for the black community?”

ken_s:
I think you know good and well that Appleman doesn't do this. I'm certain that "other side" in his comment was not code for "black people."

organized political blocs are best avoided.

they begin with some appealing thread of truth, then descend into bullying tactics, including verbal abuse, physical abuse, and, their current favorite: commandeering legal language and human law.

organized political blocs are not of Jesus Christ.

.. And that's how we shut black people up.

only if you believe the DNC and their crafted+funded political blocs “speak for the black community” .. Perhaps THIS is the crux of your subject line, OP, and thread. The DNC speaks for “the” black community, i.e., “the” only black community that matters. From that perspective, your reasoning adds up.

It also explains biden’s recent quizzical words, “you ain’t black,” if you don’t vote for him.

i found the above screenshot of this Jesus (meme) .. maybe from 2015? years ago.
i’m not sure where i saw it or context. but it resonated then and now. for many, black lives matter, and much has been done in real life to prove it. the organized political bloc does not resonate, it’s organized, and political; it’s not human. it exploits and divides. it’s not first or unique. just one more. best avoided.

lots of black folks 100% agree with this belief, that Jesus died for ALL.
they are not represented in mainstream “news.” does that make them “less-than?” not to me.

In England:

.. Pierre Noah was among those who helped Hutchinson during the clash.

“I’m saving two lives right there. I’m saving the man that’s just about to get squashed up and beat up. And then I’m saving those young boys to get a life sentence,” Noah, who works as a bodyguard, told the BBC.

Hutchinson said he attended the protests because “history was in the making” and it was a “no brainer” to support the cause.

“I want to see equality for everybody.
I am a father, a grandfather and I would love to see my young children, my young grandchildren, my nieces, my nephews have a better world than I have lived in,” Hutchinson said.

“The world I live in has been better than my grandparents’ and my parents’ and hopefully we can continue until we have total equality for everyone,” he added.

Presumably, Mr Hutchinson has not gotten the message from the BLM bloc, which would not permit him to use Jesus-like thinking regarding “all.” Jesus distracts from BLM (caps) as a political bloc, Jesus is not good for their growing political business.

i think Mr Hutchinson is on the path of Jesus. The best path for him and his family and world.