Coronavirus Outbreak

[Aurien]

I've seen several instances where you've made cutting little remarks in response to Bootstrap. Today after reading the words that I underlined in your post I decided to say something. I don't think it's appropriate for you to keep making these jabs at him. I realize that he leans left while you lean right but there's no need to be derogatory towards him about it.

i think i understand your complaint.
i’m not sure why you have no complaint directed toward him.
in this little discourse, he inserted himself into a post directed to someone else, insulted my source, used belittling language .. somehow, that’s all in the acceptable range? while my direct and unveiled response (in my view, not a “little jab”) is “too much?”

i applaud you for not reading too closely. definitely not worth the effort.

You applaud me for not reading what too closely?

[Judas Maccabeus]

JM,

Fully agreed except I don’t agree testing is “ready to go”. Every American will consider it their God-given right to get tested and overwhelm our already strained healthcare infrastructure.

A practical, new test that can be administered at a public-health level for a novel virus to people before they have symptoms is a technological miracle. Doing it to 300 million people will be logistics on the level of the Manhattan project, and right now, Americans have decided to overwhelm our toilet-paper production. Imagine what happens when 10% of the population rolls into your clinic demanding to be “tested”?

(The same people you can’t get to go to an annual physical and who won’t even test their a1c when they’re supposed to)

Hopkins is talking 2-3000 tests/day, 24 hour turnaround. They want to get it to 4 hours, and they think they can achieve this. I would imagine U of Md. could do the same. If they have figured how to automate it, using conventional equipment, they likely could meet the “reasonable” demand, especially if you put the Quests of the world into the mix.

Meeting the demands of the worried well is beyond anyone’s capacity.

J.M.

[Ken]

Here is the best analysis I have seen of current pandemic trends and mortality rates across the world. Very interesting read

[Aurien]

For those who are keeping track, coronavirus has hit 132,500 cases worldwide with 5000 fatalities (3.7%). 1660 cases in the US with at least 40 fatalities (2.5%).

What source are you using for those numbers? I've been following the John Hopkins map of COVID-19 cases and they list the number of US cases as 1,268 and the number of deaths as 33. The number of deaths listed has DECREASED since yesterday. It was 38 when I last checked. I'm assuming that 5 of those deaths were removed because they were discovered to be from something other than COVID-19. If my math is correct then going by those numbers it's still a 2.6% fatality rate in the US.

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboar ... 7b48e9ecf6

[Szdfan]

For those who are keeping track, coronavirus has hit 132,500 cases worldwide with 5000 fatalities (3.7%). 1660 cases in the US with at least 40 fatalities (2.5%).

What source are you using for those numbers? I've been following the John Hopkins map of COVID-19 cases and they list the number of US cases as 1,268 and the number of deaths as 33. The number of deaths listed has DECREASED since yesterday. It was 38 when I last checked. I'm assuming that 5 of those deaths were removed because they were discovered to be from something other than COVID-19. If my math is correct then going by those numbers it's still a 2.6% fatality rate in the US.

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboar ... 7b48e9ecf6

Just news sources...I think I got it from USA Today. Thanks for pointing to something more accurate.

[Szdfan]

For those who are keeping track, coronavirus has hit 132,500 cases worldwide with 5000 fatalities (3.7%). 1660 cases in the US with at least 40 fatalities (2.5%).

What source are you using for those numbers? I've been following the John Hopkins map of COVID-19 cases and they list the number of US cases as 1,268 and the number of deaths as 33. The number of deaths listed has DECREASED since yesterday. It was 38 when I last checked. I'm assuming that 5 of those deaths were removed because they were discovered to be from something other than COVID-19. If my math is correct then going by those numbers it's still a 2.6% fatality rate in the US.

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboar ... 7b48e9ecf6

Just news sources...I think I got it from USA Today. Thanks for pointing to something more accurate.

The danger with the Johns Hopkins map is that it could be a huge time suck. Impressive.

[RZehr]

How much difference do you think would there be in America and the worlds response to this virus, had it originated in the US instead of China?

Consider how China responded, and how Americans observed that response in our western frame of reference.

China responded with overwhelming action. As we watched, it was a serious wow moment. In our reality, nothing has ever been responded to here in that manner. Also, there is a at least a nugget of extra fear with exotic, foreign diseases. When the disease got here, the only response we had to copy and compare with, was the Chinese response. So we are doing our best to essentially reproduce an Americanized version of the Chinese response. Which is something the likes of which we have never seen here before, which in turn creates fear and response cycle that feeds on itself.

What if this would have originated in the US? Would we be responding in the same way? What would our governments response be with Trump as President, and without China to cast as the boogie man? Would our government be inclined to downplay it? Once the fear is already at a high level for a few weeks while it is in China, the government was unable to turn the narrative, but what if the narrative and tone was different from day one?

Would the US health system be enough better that the initial death toll be lower? Would the fact that Americans smoke less than Chinese, created a higher survival rate?
Is there enough difference in American and Chinese personal hygiene that the spread would not have been as fast?
And would the American lack of mandatory testing act to create the illusion of much less spreading, compared to Chinese fast moves on testing many people?


How would the US public be responding differently if this had originated in the US?

[Aurien]

What source are you using for those numbers? I've been following the John Hopkins map of COVID-19 cases and they list the number of US cases as 1,268 and the number of deaths as 33. The number of deaths listed has DECREASED since yesterday. It was 38 when I last checked. I'm assuming that 5 of those deaths were removed because they were discovered to be from something other than COVID-19. If my math is correct then going by those numbers it's still a 2.6% fatality rate in the US.

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboar ... 7b48e9ecf6

Just news sources...I think I got it from USA Today. Thanks for pointing to something more accurate.

The danger with the Johns Hopkins map is that it could be a huge time suck. Impressive.

Indeed it is.

[Ken]

This morning before going to work I flicked through the news channels

At about 7 am my time (PDST), CNN was covering the virus with an MD (duh), MSNBC was covering the virus with someone eminently forgettable (duh), and FOX was in an alternate universe. Instead of virus news they had Karl Rove on to say how the Democratic Establishment was screwing Bernie Sanders. Somehow Rove was saying AOC was agreeing with him, which I don’t understand as I thought AOC was an unreliable Commie to the Right. But the contrast in news coverage across networks was bizarre.

[Josh]

How much difference do you think would there be in America and the worlds response to this virus, had it originated in the US instead of China?

Consider how China responded, and how Americans observed that response in our western frame of reference.

China responded with overwhelming action. As we watched, it was a serious wow moment. In our reality, nothing has ever been responded to here in that manner. Also, there is a at least a nugget of extra fear with exotic, foreign diseases. When the disease got here, the only response we had to copy and compare with, was the Chinese response. So we are doing our best to essentially reproduce an Americanized version of the Chinese response. Which is something the likes of which we have never seen here before, which in turn creates fear and response cycle that feeds on itself.

What if this would have originated in the US? Would we be responding in the same way? What would our governments response be with Trump as President, and without China to cast as the boogie man? Would our government be inclined to downplay it? Once the fear is already at a high level for a few weeks while it is in China, the government was unable to turn the narrative, but what if the narrative and tone was different from day one?

Would the US health system be enough better that the initial death toll be lower? Would the fact that Americans smoke less than Chinese, created a higher survival rate?
Is there enough difference in American and Chinese personal hygiene that the spread would not have been as fast?
And would the American lack of mandatory testing act to create the illusion of much less spreading, compared to Chinese fast moves on testing many people?


How would the US public be responding differently if this had originated in the US?

The short answer is that it wouldn't have happened in America, because we don't have wet markets which have been the cause of multiple flu outbreaks for the last century, ranging from the Spanish Flu to H1N1 to SARS to the current disease. There are unique things about Chinese farming practices with poultry and pigs that lead to these novel diseases, alongside the way their wet market function being almost ideal vectors to spread these diseases.

The better question is how much longer the rest of the world will continue to allow China to create plagues, just after trying to make the entire world's manufacturing supply chain dependent on their very cheap labour (or, as the case often is, slave and prison labour). It's time it ends until the People's Republic of China can show that it can be a responsible, healthy nation, just like Singapore, Taiwan are--or even that they can do things the way Hong Kong does things.