Coronavirus Outbreak

[Bootstrap]

Nice, clear explanation.

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[QuietlyListening]

A little humor with a little truth. A nurse friend posted this on FB.

Are you familiar with “If you’re happy and you
Know it, Clap your hands”? that’s the tune

If #Coronavirus scares you – wash your
Hands! * splash splash *

If Pandemics make you nervous – wash your
Hands! * splash splash *

If an epidemic scares you then my friend I’m
Here to tell you
That the flu’s more apt to kill you

WAH YOUR HANDS! *Splash Splash! *

[Szdfan]

Lyme Disease isn't a joke to me. I know too many people who have had their lives compromised by Lyme.

Neither is Coronavirus I suppose but a little levity can be like a breath of fresh air in otherwise tense and nerve-wracking moments. I appreciate SZD for his ability to do that in his gentle and respectful way. That last line belongs in a different thread I think.

Thanks HK, I appreciate that.

I’m sorry, Somebody that I offended you. I sometimes look for humor in difficult situations, not because I’m trying to make light of a difficult situation, but because I’ll cry if I don’t laugh.

There’s been a lot of humor and memes on social media about the coronavirus. I think it’s a healthy way of dealing with a scary and stressful situation.

[Szdfan]

Well, it’s made it to Colorado.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/kdvr.com/n ... firms/amp/

[Somebody]

Szdfan

I’m sorry, Somebody that I offended you. I sometimes look for humor in difficult situations, not because I’m trying to make light of a difficult situation, but because I’ll cry if I don’t laugh.

There’s been a lot of humor and memes on social media about the coronavirus. I think it’s a healthy way of dealing with a scary and stressful situation.

Apology accepted - I need to get a thicker skin sometimes... And I do understand needing the humor in hard times. It wasn't so much you telling the joke here, especially when it was explained. It was more because it was the doctor who said it. Some of them are not nice to Lyme patients. But knowing now how it was meant, does bring a smile.

[Ken]

I doubt the usefulness of really any of the "information" flowing from China these days.

Here's a report from an American on the ground in China

I’ve been following the COVID-19 cataclysm, as I believe it is, very closely. One reason is that I had the fortunate timing of moving to Beijing from San Francisco in January 2020. I’m far from any kind of expert on China or epidemiology, but as a longtime TPM reader and Prime AF member, I thought I’d share some experiences and thoughts.

The governmental response has been extraordinary, and the national quarantine is total. In February, I only had two places I could go: the place I was staying and the grocery store Carrefour. When entering either, I have my temperature taken by a security guard, and if it were elevated I would go into mandated quarantine. I got caught in a non-tier 1 city for the month after LNY, and for weeks returning to Beijing was out of the question. After I finally returned to Beijing, I received regular phone calls from the police to confirm I was abiding by the self-quarantine, including a door check. Recently it has been loosening up, but most white collar workers are still opting to work from home. Masks are required and ubiquitous. From a personal tech perspective, we are able to have groceries cheaply delivered twice per week, and when we purchase goods in person it’s all self-checkout via QR code, as potentially virus-carrying cash hasn’t been too common in China for awhile. In the past week, the only people I’ve interacted with in person are my security guard and my girlfriend.

Once the threat of COVID-19 was identified, the government was willing and able to sacrifice the economy–what too many Western observers think of as its sole legitimizer–and put all of Chinese society on a total wartime footing against the coronavirus, in the span of one or two weeks. And it’s been wildly effective. It’s really the most impressive deployment of state capacity I’ve seen. It wouldn’t happen in the USA, but moreover it couldn’t happen in the USA even if we wanted it to.

I joke with my friends now that I have a sofa they can crash on if things get bad stateside, but I’m only half joking. Singapore and Taiwan responded to coronavirus very effectively (preventing even the start of community spread), South Korea competently, Italy with a level of mediocrity, and Iran with deep incompetence. The US will likely end up somewhere between Italy and Iran. Because of the test kit fiasco and the resultant lack of rigorous contact tracing, as well as messaging from national leadership, we don’t even know where we stand now, and in the early stages of exponential growth that’s a very bad place to be. The government is unable and unwilling to take the actions necessary to slow the spread, apparently for fear of spooking the markets, which Trump identifies as *his* sole legitimizer. All of that is to say, I wouldn’t be surprised if China issues a travel ban on Americans by April.

Amartya Sen argued democracy was the cure for disasters such as famine, because it and the free press facilitate the flow of information from the reality on the ground to the national leadership and provides the incentives to address issues correctly. And that argument still has some power: the disconnect between medical officials and bureaucrats in Hubei and the national Chinese leadership contributed to this disaster. But in a post-truth world where power wills its own reality, does democracy still have those feedback mechanisms that give it the edge? When I talk to people in China, the general sense is that China essentially got a pop quiz and scored a B+, while other countries are getting a take home exam and failing it. Buy into that analogy or not, if the USA and the West more broadly flunk this test, the Chinese model will be gaining legitimacy over democracy, not losing it. And that loss in legitimacy will happen everywhere, not just in China.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/a-view-from-china

[Josh]

Lyme Disease isn't a joke to me. I know too many people who have had their lives compromised by Lyme.

I know even more who think they've had their lives compromised by Lyme Disease (or "Lyme's", as they tend to call it).

[Josh]

Apology accepted - I need to get a thicker skin sometimes... And I do understand needing the humor in hard times. It wasn't so much you telling the joke here, especially when it was explained. It was more because it was the doctor who said it. Some of them are not nice to Lyme patients. But knowing now how it was meant, does bring a smile.

Doctors are "not nice" to Lyme patients?

Is there some other group of experts who understand how to treat Lyme disease better than doctors?

[Bootstrap]

Apology accepted - I need to get a thicker skin sometimes... And I do understand needing the humor in hard times. It wasn't so much you telling the joke here, especially when it was explained. It was more because it was the doctor who said it. Some of them are not nice to Lyme patients. But knowing now how it was meant, does bring a smile.

Doctors are "not nice" to Lyme patients?

Is there some other group of experts who understand how to treat Lyme disease better than doctors?

People with chronic diseases or chronic pain often bump into doctors who don't know what to do with a patient who doesn't get well and doesn't die, with distressing symptoms that the doctor cannot cure. This is one reason many such patients bounce around from one doctor to another or drop out of the medical system.

Doctors are trained to diagnose and heal with procedures or medicines. Helping people find ways to live well despite a distressing and difficult disease requires a different kind of help than what most doctors provide.

[RZehr]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/cleaners-kil ... 59041.html

. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency has released a list of disinfectants to protect against the spread of the coronavirus.

According to the EPA, products on the list have "qualified for use against COVID-19" through the agency's Emerging Viral Pathogen program where manufacturers provide the EPA with data that "shows their products are effective against harder-to-kill viruses."

Coronaviruses are what are called enveloped viruses, "meaning they are one of the easiest types of viruses to kill with the appropriate disinfectant product," the EPA says.