Coronavirus Outbreak

[temporal1]

Ken:
It's the internet. There's going to be a diversity of opinions.
Would you really rather live in a bubble where everyone's views exactly mirrored yours?
Where you encounter no diversity of opinion?

This thread, and most of the threads in the current events and politics boards are full of political opinions. You are free to agree or disagree or ignore. I don't think anyone here is reading this thread to find out the latest science and correct clinical response to coronovirus. At least I hope not.

Your voice is respected on this forum, and you deserve respect.

[RZehr]

Seems like a reasonable request to me to keep politics at a minimum in these non-politic threads.

[Grace]

sigh. i was looking forward to your response. you must learn to ignore me.

LOl...What is there to say? Democrats have been attempting to get rid of Trump before he was even elected. First it was the "p------y tape". Which was horrible, but interestingly the criticism came from those who wanted a women for president who enabled her alleged rapist , sexual assaulter husband, putting more women in harms way from his predatory ways. Then they spied on him by getting a FISA warrant using false information. Next was the whole Russian Collusion hoax costing tax payers millions of dollars. Then it was impeachment, because he was concerned about corruption in Ukraine, before handing over millions of our tax money to aid them. Now there are claims that the some Democrats (not all) are hoping the Coronavirus takes out people here in the United Sates with the intent to blame Trump and bring him down. New York Times, wants to change the name of the virus To "Trump Virus". Can you imagine if Republicans would have named Ebola "Obama Virus"?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/26/opin ... trump.html

That being said, I do not defend Trump's mean nasty ways, and can barely listen to him and his bragging. But the hypocrisy of some Democrats and some liberals is astounding.

Seems like a reasonable request to me to keep politics at a minimum in these non-politic threads.

Oops.....I guess I failed that in my post. I will bow out and you all can discuss the "science" of the Coronavirus. But take note, this virus has been now highly politicized, something that started with some, who have no respect for the current government leader and the Vice President, in this nation. They were and still are desperately looking and hoping for something to prevent the current president from being re-elected.

[AnthonyMartin]

Big sigh. Politic away. But, from my perspective that has involved some disaster response, political ideology has little impact on a person'sability to lead a command role in a disaster setting.

Mike Pence has not impressed me as having the ability to lead through crisis but I hope I'm wrong and I am rooting for him.

The scientists do not make good command staff because they get in the weeds and tend to make decisions too slowly. So the criticism that they should be leading this does not sit well with me. A good disaster command org chart puts them as knowledge experts in and assistant role to the incident commander.

[temporal1]

Grace:
Democrats have been attempting to get rid of Trump before he was even elected.

Certainly. If anything could have been made to stick, he would have NEVER made it through 2016.
Everything since has been blatant disregard for, above all, elections, but, also, what an egregious waste of taxpayer money+time. It’s pitiful. They feel entitled to this. They do this, while blaming him for it.

It’s hard to believe we are not “sunk.”
For young people coming along, i hope not.

[temporal1]

Big sigh. Politic away. But, from my perspective that has involved some disaster response, political ideology has little impact on a person'sability to lead a command role in a disaster setting.

Mike Pence has not impressed me as having the ability to lead through crisis but I hope I'm wrong and I am rooting for him.

The scientists do not make good command staff because they get in the weeds and tend to make decisions too slowly. So the criticism that they should be leading this does not sit well with me.

A good disaster command org chart puts them as knowledge experts in and assistant role to the incident commander.

Pence was governor of Indiana, a well-governed state.
i am hopeful. being VPOTUS is a job where a need to “be center stage” won’t work well.
but, some VP’s have had to step up.

i find the appointment interesting. i hope for success.

it’s about having knowledge of how things work, having a vision for direction, and the ability to identify and DELEGATE competent people for the job. including medical professionals.

i see no reason Pence could not do all these things.
he isn’t a liar and manipulator (as i fully suspect RK is). we’ll see how that works out.

he’s seen a lot sitting in his chair as VPOTUS. he’s used major self-control under fire.
i believe he’s more than “just a nice guy.” we will see.

[Grace]

I just saw this on Facebook.

Seven things you should know about the coronavirus, written by a registered nurse
https://www.facebook.com/georgia.miller ... tn__=%2Cd-]

1. Coronavirus itself isn’t new. Just like influenza, coronavirus is a family of respiratory viruses, and there are multiple strains, which have the ability to change over time. Coronavirus is already common in the United States, and has been for years. I have personally cared for patients with this diagnosis.

2. Novel coronavirus, also known as COVID-19, is the strain we’re hearing about in the news. It emerged in Wuhan, China at the end of 2019.

3. Symptoms of COVID-19 include fever, cough, and shortness of breath. Just like the flu and common cold, it is spread person to person via respiratory droplets when an infected person coughs or sneezes.

4. According to the World Health Organization, as of February 26, there have been 2,918 confirmed cases of COVID-19 outside of China. 53 of these are in the United States. There have been 44 deaths, none in the United States. Compare this to influenza, which the CDC estimates will infect between 29,000,0000 and 41,000,000 people in the United States alone during the 2019-20 season, resulting in 16,000 to 41,000 deaths.

5. “But there’s no cure!” You’re right. There’s no magic pill that cures the flu either. But there is a flu vaccine (that doesn’t cause autism) that can protect you from our most common respiratory viruses. Maybe go get one.

6. So, why are we panicking? Frankly, because the media tells us to. Manufacturing a pandemic is a great way to boost ratings, but everything science knows so far about COVID-19 has revealed it to be no more than yet another respiratory virus (and there are thousands).

7. The scariest part of COVID-19 isn’t the virus itself, it’s the resulting baseless mass paranoia. Hospitals are hoarding supplies, creating shortages of PPE necessary to protect healthcare workers and patients. Cities are refusing to house and treat sick people who have nowhere else to go. People are using the virus as an excuse for their own social prejudices.

So, what can you do? Turn off the TV and arm yourself with the facts. Stop the spread of false information. Vaccinate.
And for Pete’s sake, wash your hands.

(Information & statistics obtained directly from the CDC & WHO)
Want to know more? Learn from the experts:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/index.html
https://www.who.int/health-topics/coronavirus

[temporal1]

Big sigh. Politic away. But, from my perspective that has involved some disaster response, political ideology has little impact on a person'sability to lead a command role in a disaster setting.

Mike Pence has not impressed me as having the ability to lead through crisis but I hope I'm wrong and I am rooting for him.

The scientists do not make good command staff because they get in the weeds and tend to make decisions too slowly. So the criticism that they should be leading this does not sit well with me. A good disaster command org chart puts them as knowledge experts in and assistant role to the incident commander.

As OP, you can ask admin/mods to move off-topic posts to Bunny Trails.

[Ken]

Ken,
In your location, and according to your employment, i believe it would be nothing short of a miracle for you to see things any differently than you do. If you saw things differently, you probably would lose your employment, and you might feel very socially isolated, employment or not.
You might suffer worse than any of that.

This does not bode well for the U.S., or the world. i am sorrowful about it.

You would be wrong. I live in an almost perfectly purple part of the country. https://results.vote.wa.gov/results/20161108/clark/ (scroll down to see the results). in the last presidential election Clinton got 92,757 votes (46.34%) and Trump got 92,441 votes (46.18%) here in the greater Vancouver WA area. You would be hard pressed to find any city anywhere in the country more perfectly purple. I work with people who are right wing Republicans and evangelical Christians. And I work with people who are left wing Bernie Sanders supporters. And all kinds of people in between. No one cares about anyone's political opinions and certainly no one's employment is threatened. There are cars in the teacher's lot covered by Trump stickers and others covered with all sorts of left wing nonsense. There's a woman who meets her kids at the school bus stop in front of my house with a big SUV that has 4 ft high TRUMP letters on the side.

This is life in a democracy. It's healthy. And it is absolutely nothing new. This country has always been polarized. Google up "19th century political cartoons" and you will find that politics were even more vicious in the 1800s and it wasn't just the Civil War. Andrew Jackson, Martin Van Buren, Lincoln, Grant, the Guilded Age presidents. They inspired and gave back in ways that were more vicious than anything you see today. WW2 and the early years of the cold war were really one of the only times in the history of the country when there was something of a pause and that ended by the 1960s and Vietnam.

I think it actually bodes well for the US and the world that we can still have political disagreements and don't live in Putin's Russia or Communist China where that isn't so possible. There are very real and meaningful differences between the parties in their approach to just about everything. Maybe not everything should be political. For example, I don't think environmental protection and stewardship of the earth should be a partisan issue, but it is. Coronavirus probably shouldn't be either. But we are in an election year and we have a president who spent this very morning rage-tweeting against Democrats and the media on this very topic. So yes, it is going to be political. The job of the opposition party is to question the president and hold his feet to the fire. And the job of the president is to put down his phone and do the job he was elected to do. If he can't handle criticism then he is in the wrong job.

In any event, that's just a really long way of saying that the "I'm sorry for you in your blue prison, and sorrowful about the state of the country" just comes across as patronizing and dismissive even though I don't think you really meant it that way.

[Josh]

Ken,

Except even here on MennoNet, the response from a left-wing poster who doesn’t like my views on LGBT issues is to ask the moderators/owner of this forum to ban me for being willing to speak the truth about what the Bible says about homosexuality.

That’s not a “healthy democracy”. We live in a society where people really do want to completely ice out anyone like me from being able to have a job or to express our beliefs.

Of course it doesn’t bother you since you don’t seem to hold any of these “forbidden” positions.