Bankruptcy: Boy Scouts of America

[Ken]

... and every single abuser was a homosexual.

Maybe the Scouts had a good idea to ban homosexuals from their ranks.

No, they were pedophiles. There is a difference.

Except every single one was also a homosexual.

There is no evidence of that whatsoever. Pedophiles are attracted to prepubescent children. There is really very little sexual difference between an 8 year old boy or girl. What is, indeed, the case, is that it is infinitely easier for pedophiles to gain access to boys rather than girls in this country. People who would watch their young girls like a hawk around men are happy to hand their boys off to coaches, scout leaders, etc.

Where pedophile men do have access to young girls such as in gymnastics academies and swim clubs we see the exact same thing as in the boy scouts. A male coach that molests young girls in a gymnastics academy or swim club is no different from a scoutmaster who molests young boys. Neither of them are doing it because they are gay or straight. They are doing it because they are pedophiles.

This is a well documented and well studied area of psychology. Gay men are no more likely to be interested in molesting boys than straight men are interested in molesting girls. And the rate of pedophilia is no greater in gay populations than it is in straight populations. In fact, research suggests the opposite. https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate ... s-debunked

Anti-gay activists who make that claim allege that all men who molest male children should be seen as homosexual. But research by A. Nicholas Groth, a pioneer in the field of sexual abuse of children, shows that is not so. Groth found that there are two types of child molesters: fixated and regressive. The fixated child molester — the stereotypical pedophile — cannot be considered homosexual or heterosexual because "he often finds adults of either sex repulsive" and often molests children of both sexes. Regressive child molesters are generally attracted to other adults, but may "regress" to focusing on children when confronted with stressful situations. Groth found, as Herek notes, that the majority of regressed offenders were heterosexual in their adult relationships.

Thinking that you can address pedophilia by discriminating against LGBT people is simply wrong and will miss the actual problem and actual target, pedophiles.

[MaxPC]

Tragic. Horrible. These were male leaders abusing Boy Scouts.

Leviticus 18:22 - Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 - Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, (Read More...)

Leviticus 20:13 - If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.

Romans 1:26-28 - For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: (Read More...)

1 Timothy 1:10 - For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

Mark 10:6-9 - But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. (Read More...)

Jude 1:7 - Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

1 Corinthians 7:2 - Nevertheless, [to avoid] fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

1 Timothy 1:10-11 - For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; (Read More...)

Romans 1:27 - And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Romans 1:32 - Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Genesis 19:1-38 - And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing [them] rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;

[Szdfan]

So if these were male leaders abusing Girl Scouts, this wouldn’t have been as tragic and horrible?

[Josh]

So if these were male leaders abusing Girl Scouts, this wouldn’t have been as tragic and horrible?

Of course it would be. But it would be an entirely different kind of shenanigans.

It’s not normal for older men to be inordinately interested in groups of younger girls they aren’t related to. However, it’s quite normal and healthy for men to guide and lead groups of younger boys. That’s why it’s critical that homosexuals not be involved in such groups.

[MaxPC]

So if these were male leaders abusing Girl Scouts, this wouldn’t have been as tragic and horrible?

That’s quite a leap to try to twist my words to an incorrect meaning. And as you well know, the Girl Scouts have female leaders. This thread is about Boy Scouts.

[Szdfan]

So if these were male leaders abusing Girl Scouts, this wouldn’t have been as tragic and horrible?

That’s quite a leap to try to twist my words to an incorrect meaning. And as you well know, the Girl Scouts have female leaders. This thread is about Boy Scouts.

I think if you respond to pedophilia with verses about homosexuality, then that’s a question that’s going to be raised. As Ken points out, they are not the same things.

[temporal1]

Thinking that you can address pedophilia by discriminating against LGBT people is simply wrong and will miss the actual problem and actual target, pedophiles.

The priority group to establish this distinction is the very noisy homosexual bloc.
They aren’t very noisy about pedophiles.

If my homosexual friends were found to be sexually abusing children, typically male children, they are still homosexuals. i’ve never been aware of pedophilia in people i’ve known.

It’s important that homosexuals clarify the distinction, because, they appear more inclined to allow/support normalizing adult-child sex, than otherwise. For mutual political muscle, if nothing else.

It’s not everyone else’s responsibility to clarify the distinction, while they reflect ambivalence.

i foresee BSA as future support for normalizing/legalizing adult-child sex, eroding legal protections for minors, and their families. their leaders have a “long game” they’ve been working for decades.

[Josh]

So if these were male leaders abusing Girl Scouts, this wouldn’t have been as tragic and horrible?

That’s quite a leap to try to twist my words to an incorrect meaning. And as you well know, the Girl Scouts have female leaders. This thread is about Boy Scouts.

I think if you respond to pedophilia with verses about homosexuality, then that’s a question that’s going to be raised. As Ken points out, they are not the same things.

Szdfan, I have spoken up quite loudly against predatory men who prey on young women or who prey on underage girls. These two types of men are two different things. Speaking up about this has cost me a great deal personally, but it’s the right thing to do.

It is fairly easy to figure out who such men are, simply because most men don’t go and do lots of activities with groups of girls who aren’t related to them.

I have also spoken up about males who prey on young men or on boys. These men are homosexuals. They are a very different kind of thing, and we seem to have a number of these men tolerated and protected in conservative Anabaptist circles. This is a much deeper problem, because it’s harder to distinguish from normal adult men who do normal things with boys.

[MaxPC]

So if these were male leaders abusing Girl Scouts, this wouldn’t have been as tragic and horrible?

That’s quite a leap to try to twist my words to an incorrect meaning. And as you well know, the Girl Scouts have female leaders. This thread is about Boy Scouts.

I think if you respond to pedophilia with verses about homosexuality, then that’s a question that’s going to be raised. As Ken points out, they are not the same things.

In a thread about male leaders and Boy Scouts they are indeed the same things.

Both you and Ken need to kindly respect the thread’s topic and avoid setting up straw-“women” to try to justify homosexual men as BSA leaders. Now if you want to address other victims feel free to start a different thread.

[Josh]

Notice how Szd and Ken are eager to cover up and ignore abuse, just like we have to deal with in conservative Anabaptist circles.

Active homosexual men like Harold Herr, Jeriah Mast in CA circles, and abuser priests in Catholic circles, and abusers in Boy Scout circles have been preying on vulnerable young boys.

Yet Szd and Ken’s priority is to expect us to be more tolerant of active homosexual men. They don’t care about victims - they care about making sure active homosexuals feel “comfortable”.

I’d like to extend this opportunity to both of them to repent for falling into the sin described in Romans 1 and Jude:

“And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.”

No one who promotes and tolerates men “burning in their lust one toward another” will be with Jesus in his eternal kingdom. The time to repent and seek Jesus’ grace is NOW!