Coronavirus Outbreak

[Aurien]

Others may know better .. i can only wonder ..
i wonder if some potential pandemics may have been averted, by improved education, hygiene, relatively fast vaccine development, etc.?? HIV-AIDS is not a flu-type virus, but it was linked to animals, in the 1980’s, it was a huge scare.

(i believe) more could have been done to prevent the spread, it continues ‘way more than it should. imho. it is nearly 100% preventable. (i believe) HIV-AIDS is “accepted” as PC, and this is the central reason it has not been eradicated. i feel very sorry for those with new cases, to repeat, nearly 100% preventable. (i wonder) if this is the first potential pandemic that has been “normalized?”

CDC / HIV and Youth
https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/age/youth/index.html

I know this is going off on a bunny trail but I think you're right about HIV/AIDS being normalized. I've noticed that celebrities who "come out" about their HIV or AIDS status are praised for being courageous even though a large number of them acquired it from homosexual activities, or in the case of Magic Johnson, from sexual activities with numerous women.

[Aurien]

This coronavirus has a name now. It's COVID-19 which of course stands for Coronavirus Disease 2019.

[RZehr]

Unless you are a citizen or permanent resident, no one is allowed into the US if they have been to China in the previous 14 days.

[Judas Maccabeus]

The Event 201 simulation didn't actually use China as a starting point though. It had the epidemic starting on pig farms in Brazil and spreading across the globe from there.

http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/ ... nario.html

Yes I see. It is bit less plausible than China, but still within reason. The Hopkins School of Public Health and Hygiene is one of the oldest of its kind, and that they run this sort of simulation is nothing sinister, it is what they do. BTW I was a finalist for a junior facility position there some 35 years ago. I did not get the job.

J.M.

What is your profession if you don't mind my asking? I know you've mentioned the health field a number of times.

Interestingly Brazil scored better than China on the Global Health Security Index. Brazil was 22 out of 195 countries and China was 51 out of 195. I wonder if the results of the simulation would have been worse if they had in fact used China instead of Brazil?

https://www.ghsindex.org/

Nuclear Medicine/Radiation Science. Class of 1979. Also did preclinical in Microbiology, could have done my clinical in either, chose imaging because I like hanging out with the patients far more than sitting behind a lab bench. Have done mostly oncology, (PET/CT) with a bit of general thrown in. Served overseas as a medical missionary in the Middle East in the 90s, had to get back up to speed in Microbiology, with a bit of parasitology thrown in. Did all the classes a overseas worker normally does. Have enough background that I can do some low level health physics, mostly calibration/disposal.

Hopkins wanted an assistant physicist at the instructor level, mostly to do the hands on stuff for the PhDs. Free grad school would have been thrown in. I was down to the last 3.......well God had a better plan anyway.

Oh, yes, grad school in theology, did not stick around for a degree, but made the mission board happy.

I am married to a public health nurse, who does maternal/child health. I see less of her whenever there is an outbreak, like the recent measles one.

J.M.

[Judas Maccabeus]

Others may know better .. i can only wonder ..
i wonder if some potential pandemics may have been averted, by improved education, hygiene, relatively fast vaccine development, etc.?? HIV-AIDS is not a flu-type virus, but it was linked to animals, in the 1980’s, it was a huge scare.

(i believe) more could have been done to prevent the spread, it continues ‘way more than it should. imho. it is nearly 100% preventable. (i believe) HIV-AIDS is “accepted” as PC, and this is the central reason it has not been eradicated. i feel very sorry for those with new cases, to repeat, nearly 100% preventable. (i wonder) if this is the first potential pandemic that has been “normalized?”

CDC / HIV and Youth
https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/age/youth/index.html

I know this is going off on a bunny trail but I think you're right about HIV/AIDS being normalized. I've noticed that celebrities who "come out" about their HIV or AIDS status are praised for being courageous even though a large number of them acquired it from homosexual activities, or in the case of Magic Johnson, from sexual activities with numerous women.

When it first hit the fan back in the 80s, we had a good idea it was blood borne. But did not have a vector, it was originally HTLV-3, because the virus was thought to be a vector for leukemia, little did we know.

The original cases were remembered by the “H” s. Homosexuals, Hemophiliacs, Heroin users, Harlots and Haitians. The reason Haitians were among the index cases was a practice of routinely transfusing mothers postpartum since it made them feel better.

The initial rational for the secrecy behind the diagnosis was that without it people would simply decline the test, and no one would know their status, and be able to prescribe what treatment we had.

It could be eradicated in one generation of only one generation would behave itself. Don’t hold your breath.

J.M.

[Aurien]

Yes I see. It is bit less plausible than China, but still within reason. The Hopkins School of Public Health and Hygiene is one of the oldest of its kind, and that they run this sort of simulation is nothing sinister, it is what they do. BTW I was a finalist for a junior facility position there some 35 years ago. I did not get the job.

J.M.

What is your profession if you don't mind my asking? I know you've mentioned the health field a number of times.

Interestingly Brazil scored better than China on the Global Health Security Index. Brazil was 22 out of 195 countries and China was 51 out of 195. I wonder if the results of the simulation would have been worse if they had in fact used China instead of Brazil?

https://www.ghsindex.org/

Nuclear Medicine/Radiation Science. Class of 1979. Also did preclinical in Microbiology, could have done my clinical in either, chose imaging because I like hanging out with the patients far more than sitting behind a lab bench. Have done mostly oncology, (PET/CT) with a bit of general thrown in. Served overseas as a medical missionary in the Middle East in the 90s, had to get back up to speed in Microbiology, with a bit of parasitology thrown in. Did all the classes a overseas worker normally does. Have enough background that I can do some low level health physics, mostly calibration/disposal.

Hopkins wanted an assistant physicist at the instructor level, mostly to do the hands on stuff for the PhDs. Free grad school would have been thrown in. I was down to the last 3.......well God had a better plan anyway.

Oh, yes, grad school in theology, did not stick around for a degree, but made the mission board happy.

I am married to a public health nurse, who does maternal/child health. I see less of her whenever there is an outbreak, like the recent measles one.

J.M.

Wow. That is impressive. You're clearly more intelligent than I am regarding scientific fields. I was only in my microbiology class for a couple of weeks before I dropped out of college in my third semester, but I already knew it would be a hard class for me to pass. I've never heard of health physics so I had to look it up, and I think I got lost just reading about what it entails.

[Judas Maccabeus]

What is your profession if you don't mind my asking? I know you've mentioned the health field a number of times.

Interestingly Brazil scored better than China on the Global Health Security Index. Brazil was 22 out of 195 countries and China was 51 out of 195. I wonder if the results of the simulation would have been worse if they had in fact used China instead of Brazil?

https://www.ghsindex.org/

Nuclear Medicine/Radiation Science. Class of 1979. Also did preclinical in Microbiology, could have done my clinical in either, chose imaging because I like hanging out with the patients far more than sitting behind a lab bench. Have done mostly oncology, (PET/CT) with a bit of general thrown in. Served overseas as a medical missionary in the Middle East in the 90s, had to get back up to speed in Microbiology, with a bit of parasitology thrown in. Did all the classes a overseas worker normally does. Have enough background that I can do some low level health physics, mostly calibration/disposal.

Hopkins wanted an assistant physicist at the instructor level, mostly to do the hands on stuff for the PhDs. Free grad school would have been thrown in. I was down to the last 3.......well God had a better plan anyway.

Oh, yes, grad school in theology, did not stick around for a degree, but made the mission board happy.

I am married to a public health nurse, who does maternal/child health. I see less of her whenever there is an outbreak, like the recent measles one.

J.M.

Wow. That is impressive. You're clearly more intelligent than I am regarding scientific fields. I was only in my microbiology class for a couple of weeks before I dropped out of college in my third semester, but I already knew it would be a hard class for me to pass. I've never heard of health physics so I had to look it up, and I think I got lost just reading about what it entails.

Microbiology is lots of memorization and classification. Helps to have what might have been a mild case of OCD.

For me, it is mostly doing quality assurance on instruments, making sure things are accurate, consistent and reliable and getting spent radioactive sources properly recycled. Once again, OCD helps.

J.M.

[temporal1]

Others may know better .. i can only wonder ..
i wonder if some potential pandemics may have been averted, by improved education, hygiene, relatively fast vaccine development, etc.?? HIV-AIDS is not a flu-type virus, but it was linked to animals, in the 1980’s, it was a huge scare.

(i believe) more could have been done to prevent the spread, it continues ‘way more than it should. imho. it is nearly 100% preventable. (i believe) HIV-AIDS is “accepted” as PC, and this is the central reason it has not been eradicated. i feel very sorry for those with new cases, to repeat, nearly 100% preventable. (i wonder) if this is the first potential pandemic that has been “normalized?”

CDC / HIV and Youth
https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/age/youth/index.html

I know this is going off on a bunny trail but I think you're right about HIV/AIDS being normalized.

I've noticed that celebrities who "come out" about their HIV or AIDS status are praised for being courageous even though a large number of them acquired it from homosexual activities, or in the case of Magic Johnson, from sexual activities with numerous women.

When it first hit the fan back in the 80s, we had a good idea it was blood borne.
But did not have a vector, it was originally HTLV-3, because the virus was thought to be a vector for leukemia, little did we know.

The original cases were remembered by the “H” s. Homosexuals, Hemophiliacs, Heroin users, Harlots and Haitians. The reason Haitians were among the index cases was a practice of routinely transfusing mothers postpartum since it made them feel better.

The initial rational for the secrecy behind the diagnosis was that without it people would simply decline the test, and no one would know their status, and be able to prescribe what treatment we had.

It could be eradicated in one generation of only one generation would behave itself.
Don’t hold your breath.
J.M.

i cannot describe what this means to me.
only a layperson, i live through things, observe, read, listen.
i often try to compare what i see with what i read about history, and what i learned from my elders.
i have huge respect for those who lived in history. they were not stupid.

then i compare how well they did WITHOUT BENEFIT of current science and technology, they often put us (in the “Information Age”) to shame!! - how can this be?? it’s so twisted. (i believe) politics, money, power, temporal desires, play havoc with “what could be.”

in the 1980’s, hollywood was hit-hard. they have big money AND microphones, influence.
they hit law schools and politics. a bad mix for western society. the price is high.

regarding HIV-AIDS, i have deep sorrow. real people are harmed when it’s almost 100% preventable. it could be like measles, or smallpox. prevented. contained. isolated.

i grieve to think of teens and young people infected, i grieve for their families.
i cannot imagine the heartache involved. a terminal illness, a life sentence, for what?? a few minutes of carnal experiments?

i hold gov policies largely responsible.
i am repulsed at large expenditures, in the millions annually, for condoms, gov throws at HIV-AIDS “prevention,” which i see more as enabling+promoting the spread. many people believe these big expenditures are for birth control. no. from what i read, the principle target is HIV-AIDS.
gov has “so much more” they throw at female “birth control,” including abortion.

i am not a litigation hound, by any means.

on this, i admit i have a fantasy that all these many victims and their families might one day coordinate a class action lawsuit against gov, much like the Agent Orange case, or lead poisoning in public drinking water. in my view, what gov is doing/not doing, falls into those categories.

one of the worst aspects of promoting sodomy in health ed and health care is, these young ones are just beginning their sexual lives. the numbers of others, male+female, they can potentially infect are (astronomical).

it’s a terrible thing. gov complicity is more than i can accept. in the U.S., and world-wide.
yet, no one discusses it. not a word mentioned.

[AnthonyMartin]

The Coronavirus recovery curve has kept pace with the new cases curve for the past 4 days, that's a pretty good sign for the moment.

[Josh]

The Coronavirus recovery curve has kept pace with the new cases curve for the past 4 days, that's a pretty good sign for the moment.

Do you really believe the PR China’s statistics?