Vaccinations - Poll

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1st 4 choices are one group, next four group 2, last two as applies. My position on vaccinations is:

 
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JohnHurt

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Post by JohnHurt »

Judas Maccabeus wrote:
Oh, yes. What was one of the single thing that reduced the population of the pacific islands?

J.M.
Over-reaction to two people being killed by a vaccine that was prepared incorrectly.

I appreciate the work you do in medicine, and believe that you should be compensated by a drug company or other medical company for your work, as that seems reasonable.

The problem is not payment for services, but it is the influence that resulted from the 2.4 billion dollars in 2015 paid by Big Pharma to the medical profession.

If you were to purchase your tires from your local tire dealer, and that dealer was paid several thousand dollars a year by Michelin Tires to test their tires and give feedback on their products, you can be sure that you will be buying only Michelin tires from that tire dealer.

Likewise a doctor is influenced to provide a very expensive solution provided by Big Pharma, and ignore a cheaper and better solutions.

In February of 2018, I had CRVO (Central Retinal Vein Occlusion) in my right eye, which is basically a stroke in the eye, as the artery is pressing against the vein so that blood cannot return from the eye. I believe this blockage happens in the Lamina Cribosa or thereabouts - and it in the back of the eye and cannot be treated with a laser.

The ophthalmologist told me he needed to inject Lucentis (which I think is $2,000 a shot) each month through a needle directly into my eye to restore my vision, and that there was a risk of glaucoma from the increased pressure in the eye, so I would need to sign a waiver. Lucentis and Avastin are both made from the RNA from a dead mouse spleen.

This was a treatment, not a cure. I would have to come back every month for a shot, and it only stopped the creation of new blood vessels in the eye, and did NOT solve or remove the blockage that was causing the occlusion of the vein from the eye.

After the 3rd day of having a fuzzy right eye that looked like a big cotton ball about the size of a basketball held at arm's length, I knew I had to do something immediately.

I quite eating food and switched over to only drinking pure carrot juice, with some celery and other juices. This changed the viscosity of my blood and the sparkles quit and the fuzzy cotton ball stopped growing.

Next I started juicing ginger root and some garlic as I could. These both burned as they went down.

Then I found out about Japanese Natto and how it destroys blood clots. I made my own Natto in an Instapot pressure cooker and ate it every day. Then I bought some EDTA and mixed a very small amount with my juices to chelate the obstructions out of my circulatory system.

After a month, my vision began to clear up. After 4-6 months, I was totally healed.

I now take Nattokinase in capsule form, as eating Natto raw is like eating smelly socks. I only take the EDTA once a week, if even that much, as too much chelation can also cause problems.

My CRVO vision problem was really a blessing, because I can tell now that my entire circulatory system was being covered in plaque, and the CRVO was the warning sign. I could have had a stroke or a heart attack, but God gave me CRVO instead.

And instead of a shot in the eye as a temporary treatment, I am now cured. I told my ophthalmologist what I was doing with Natto and EDTA and he laughed at me. He said that out of the 100 clients that would come into the office that day, that around 80 patients that were here to get their shot in the eye. He said this was superior to the laser treatments they used to give. My wife said after we left the office that laser treatments were a "one time" deal, while the shot in the eye could go on forever. So the shot in the eye makes a lot more money than a laser, which is what the Ophthalmologist said in an indirect way.

The ophthalmologist had 2-3 partners, nurses, a receptionist, and they had bought a 4 story ultra modern building here in Cookeville, and there were some very nice cars parked outside when I went in. The waiting room had a waterfall that covered the entire wall. Nobody should make that kind of money for injecting mouse spleen RNA into someone's eye.

I would like to know how many people they actually "cure", not just how many get "treatments".

For I am cured, and do not need treatments. I am healthy, while the people that go back to this doctor are still sick.

A series of coincidences led me to the correct solution to find my health.

I did not do this on my own. I found guidance from a much better physician for my health.

Let me introduce you to my doctor:

Exodus 15:(26) And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee.

Yes, He is the Great Physician. He gets all of the credit. All we have to do is to obey Him, and He will surely keep His word and heal our diseases.

Thanks,

John Hurt
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DrWojo

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Post by DrWojo »

That’s an amazing testimony, John Hurt! Christ is the Great Physician and by His stripes we are healed. He honors faith and that is something I cannot do no matter how much I’d wish I could.

As to the corrupt profit-driven nature of Big Pharma, I say Better is little with the fear of the Lord than great treasure and trouble there with.
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Judas Maccabeus

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Post by Judas Maccabeus »

JohnHurt wrote:
Judas Maccabeus wrote:
Oh, yes. What was one of the single thing that reduced the population of the pacific islands?

J.M.
Over-reaction to two people being killed by a vaccine that was prepared incorrectly.

I appreciate the work you do in medicine, and believe that you should be compensated by a drug company or other medical company for your work, as that seems reasonable.

The problem is not payment for services, but it is the influence that resulted from the 2.4 billion dollars in 2015 paid by Big Pharma to the medical profession.

If you were to purchase your tires from your local tire dealer, and that dealer was paid several thousand dollars a year by Michelin Tires to test their tires and give feedback on their products, you can be sure that you will be buying only Michelin tires from that tire dealer.

Likewise a doctor is influenced to provide a very expensive solution provided by Big Pharma, and ignore a cheaper and better solutions.

In February of 2018, I had CRVO (Central Retinal Vein Occlusion) in my right eye, which is basically a stroke in the eye, as the artery is pressing against the vein so that blood cannot return from the eye. I believe this blockage happens in the Lamina Cribosa or thereabouts - and it in the back of the eye and cannot be treated with a laser.

The ophthalmologist told me he needed to inject Lucentis (which I think is $2,000 a shot) each month through a needle directly into my eye to restore my vision, and that there was a risk of glaucoma from the increased pressure in the eye, so I would need to sign a waiver. Lucentis and Avastin are both made from the RNA from a dead mouse spleen.

This was a treatment, not a cure. I would have to come back every month for a shot, and it only stopped the creation of new blood vessels in the eye, and did NOT solve or remove the blockage that was causing the occlusion of the vein from the eye.

After the 3rd day of having a fuzzy right eye that looked like a big cotton ball about the size of a basketball held at arm's length, I knew I had to do something immediately.

I quite eating food and switched over to only drinking pure carrot juice, with some celery and other juices. This changed the viscosity of my blood and the sparkles quit and the fuzzy cotton ball stopped growing.

Next I started juicing ginger root and some garlic as I could. These both burned as they went down.

Then I found out about Japanese Natto and how it destroys blood clots. I made my own Natto in an Instapot pressure cooker and ate it every day. Then I bought some EDTA and mixed a very small amount with my juices to chelate the obstructions out of my circulatory system.

After a month, my vision began to clear up. After 4-6 months, I was totally healed.

I now take Nattokinase in capsule form, as eating Natto raw is like eating smelly socks. I only take the EDTA once a week, if even that much, as too much chelation can also cause problems.

My CRVO vision problem was really a blessing, because I can tell now that my entire circulatory system was being covered in plaque, and the CRVO was the warning sign. I could have had a stroke or a heart attack, but God gave me CRVO instead.

And instead of a shot in the eye as a temporary treatment, I am now cured. I told my ophthalmologist what I was doing with Natto and EDTA and he laughed at me. He said that out of the 100 clients that would come into the office that day, that around 80 patients that were here to get their shot in the eye. He said this was superior to the laser treatments they used to give. My wife said after we left the office that laser treatments were a "one time" deal, while the shot in the eye could go on forever. So the shot in the eye makes a lot more money than a laser, which is what the Ophthalmologist said in an indirect way.

The ophthalmologist had 2-3 partners, nurses, a receptionist, and they had bought a 4 story ultra modern building here in Cookeville, and there were some very nice cars parked outside when I went in. The waiting room had a waterfall that covered the entire wall. Nobody should make that kind of money for injecting mouse spleen RNA into someone's eye.

I would like to know how many people they actually "cure", not just how many get "treatments".

For I am cured, and do not need treatments. I am healthy, while the people that go back to this doctor are still sick.

A series of coincidences led me to the correct solution to find my health.

I did not do this on my own. I found guidance from a much better physician for my health.

Let me introduce you to my doctor:

Exodus 15:(26) And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee.

Yes, He is the Great Physician. He gets all of the credit. All we have to do is to obey Him, and He will surely keep His word and heal our diseases.

Thanks,

John Hurt
I am talking about historically. In the 1800s it was measles.

Diseases, that are mostly vaccine preventable, decimated more first nation people than anything else.

J.M.
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Judas Maccabeus

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Post by Judas Maccabeus »

JohnHurt wrote:
violet wrote:there are always two sides to a coin.

and, sometimes, where there is smoke, there is fire.

I think I will wait and see the outcome before judgement.

and, while on the issue, any thoughts on the Mumps portion of the MMR? I am sure snopes has an interesting take on that one as well.
Here is the Huffington Post article on Merck's MMR vaccine, that shows how the vaccine was exposed by scientists at Merck as the vaccine claims were overstated and fraudulent:

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/lawrence- ... 81914.html

Here is the Snopes article:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bad-medicine/

Snopes is run by a husband and wife team with no medical background who provide their own information to "debunk" topics that are clearly outside of their field of experience. Snopes is similar to "Quackwatch", a site where a retired psychiatrist "debunks" topics in areas of alternative medicine that are clearly outside his area of expertise as a shrink. Snopes has no credibility concerning medical issues, they need to stick to debunking urban legends for entertainment purposes.

The Snopes "debunking" article hinges on a statement by Thompson - backed up with a link that no longer exists.
http://www.morganverkamp.com/august-27- ... nd-autism/

The other links Snopes provides are inconclusive, such as a link to a retracted document that only Snopes has and provides to us as proof. https://translationalneurodegeneration. ... -9158-3-22

The Huffington Post article is based on information from several Merck scientists who quit their jobs to expose the problems at Merck. It also links to several other articles. The HuffPost article is several years old, and if Merck later won the lawsuit due to their tremendous wealth and power, it does not change what these Merck scientists said or did to bring these issues to the public. No one would give up their career to create an urban legend that was not true. But these men will definitely be disgraced in some way.

The problem is not doctors, it is Big Pharma. They need to be sued when they hurt people with what they manufacture.
Ah yes, the retracted document. This appears to be the center of this. It is a scientific article.

Funny. I found the original article with ease.

One of the reasons it was withdrawn is that his statistical methodology was problematic, to say the least. He did not properly insure that the control group was selected in the same manner, pairing exactly with the "research" group. The group with autism would tend to have been vaccinated earlier because many of these children were in special education programs early in life. For these programs vaccination was a requirement for admission. Hence, they would, as a group have been vaccinated earlier, which would massively skew his conclusion. It is called selection bias, it can occur accidentally, but you need to safeguard against it, through your selection of controls.

If I picked this up, I can only imagine what happened when this was printed. That is what peer review is all about.

Looking up his background, it is primarily chemical engineering, and Simpson University is not exactly a research powerhouse. As best as I can tell it lacks a graduate program in any of the hard sciences. It is a one of the former Bible colleges of the Christian and Missionary Alliance. I have no idea why this gentleman is writing articles like this.

I did notice in the "erratum and additions" section of the article:

""Competing interests
Dr. Hooker has been involved in vaccine/biologic litigation.""

If he failed to disclose this, it is a major problem. Failure to disclose a conflict of interest is in and of itself grounds to cause a paper to be withdrawn. We take this very seriously in the biomedical community. Same as someone failing to disclose funding from a drug company.

""Snopes is similar to "Quackwatch", a site where a retired psychiatrist "debunks" topics in areas of alternative medicine that are clearly outside his area of expertise as a shrink. ""

It may be important that a Psychiatrist is an MD, who has completed medical school, sat and passed the National Medical Boards, and is fully licensed in the practice of medicine. He has a speciality in behavioral heal, and such is fully qualified to both practice medicine and comment on medical issues.

You are confusing this with a psychologist, a Ph. D with a degree in behavioral health. Big difference.

It should be said that suing people is simply unacceptable to many on this board. You likely don't know this, but many, maybe most states have limitations on medical liability lawsuits, limiting either the dollar amount that can be collected, or requiring the one suing to get a "certificate of merit" from a commission of experts before such a suit can proceed.

I understand your "healing" concept. Until the 1920s the Christian and Missionary Alliance had similar views. In the 20's and 30's medicine changed, and likely improved the benefit that medical treatment brought. Before that, going to a doctor was very much a hit or miss proposition, with mostly misses. The current view is To know how to do good, and fail to do it is sin.

J.M.
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RZehr

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Post by RZehr »

JohnHurt wrote: I did not do this on my own. I found guidance from a much better physician for my health.

Let me introduce you to my doctor:

Exodus 15:(26) And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee.

Yes, He is the Great Physician. He gets all of the credit. All we have to do is to obey Him, and He will surely keep His word and heal our diseases.

Thanks,

John Hurt
I'm curious how your understanding of Exodus 15:26 fits with your getting an eye problem in the first place. I personally don't agree with what I understand to be your application of this verse. But at the same time, there may be more to those OT laws that are applicable to our physical health than I realize.
By the way, I'm glad you are better.
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I am curious JM, what do you do for a living?

If you are uncomfortable stating this in a public forum, I will respect that.
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DrWojo

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Would any MN reader care to fact-check:
https://vaccineimpact.com/2015/californ ... N2HVuz2cJA
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Soloist

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Post by Soloist »

DrWojo wrote:Would any MN reader care to fact-check:
https://vaccineimpact.com/2015/californ ... N2HVuz2cJA
Look up SB 792

This is fear mongering nothing more in my opinion

Requiring vaccines for certain jobs have been around for a long time.
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/face ... 20160SB792
SB 792, Mendoza. Day care facilities: immunizations: exemptions.
Existing law, the California Child Day Care Facilities Act, provides for the licensure and regulation of day care centers, as defined, and family day care homes, as defined, by the State Department of Social Services. A violation of the act is a crime. Existing law requires a child to be immunized prior to admission to a day care center or family day care home. Existing law authorizes an exemption from those provisions for medical reasons or because of personal beliefs, if specified forms are submitted to the day care center or family day care home. Existing law requires an applicant for licensure as a family day care home to present evidence of a current tuberculosis clearance for any adult in the home during the time that children are under care.
This bill, commencing September 1, 2016, would prohibit a person from being employed or volunteering at a day care center or a family day care home if he or she has not been immunized against influenza, pertussis, and measles. The bill would specify circumstances under which a person would be exempt from the immunization requirement, based on medical safety, current immunity, declining the influenza vaccination, or the date upon which he or she was hired, as specified. The bill would require a day care center or a family day care home to maintain documentation of the required immunizations or exemptions from immunization in the employee’s or volunteer’s personnel record. The bill would make conforming changes to provisions that set forth qualifications for day care center teachers and applicants for licensure as a family day care home. The bill would provide that a violation of these provisions would not be subject to a crime. The bill would require any person hired as a teacher in a day care center to present evidence of a current tuberculosis clearance, as specified.
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Post by violet »

Press Release from WHO

Prof Larson also goes on to admit:
“There’s a lot of safety science that’s needed. Without the good science, we can’t have good communication. So, although I’m talking about all these other contextual issues and communication issues, it absolutely needs the science as the backbone. You can’t repurpose the same old ‘science’ to make it sound better if you don’t have the science that’s relevant to the new problems.”

Prof. Heidi Larson, Ph.D., Professor of Anthropology, Director of the Vaccine Confidence Project and staunch supporter of vaccines was the closing speaker for the event. Her talk was to inform attendees on ‘how to move forward in addressing communication and behaviours in relation to vaccine safety.’

https://avn.org.au/2020/01/press-releas ... kg.twitter
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Josh

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Post by Josh »

I’m a little confused. Vaccines are one of the safest things in medicine - nearly everyone in North America has had them, and we have very very few safety related problems.

Of course, medical professionals are always trying to be even better. But the talk above did not point to a vaccine safety problem.
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