Speeding - Willful Disobedience ?

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ABC 123

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Neto wrote:The remark made above about police sometimes acting as a "lead vehicle" (Like at Daytona??? :o ) brings up this somewhat off-topic thought - ever notice how when people see a police car on the side of the road ahead of them, they automatically hit the brake, even when traffic is actually moving at a speed below the posted limit? That's guilt at work, not?
Not sure if it is so much guilt as an innate sense of self preservation. Maybe nobody else has ever been stopped for inadvertently speeding.
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Joy

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ABC 123 wrote:
Neto wrote:The remark made above about police sometimes acting as a "lead vehicle" (Like at Daytona??? :o ) brings up this somewhat off-topic thought - ever notice how when people see a police car on the side of the road ahead of them, they automatically hit the brake, even when traffic is actually moving at a speed below the posted limit? That's guilt at work, not?
Not sure if it is so much guilt as an innate sense of self preservation. Maybe nobody else has ever been stopped for inadvertently speeding.
Also having to move over a lane for a stopped emergency vehicle/cruiser, and to avoid hitting the gawker stall.
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Neto

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ABC 123 wrote:
Neto wrote:The remark made above about police sometimes acting as a "lead vehicle" (Like at Daytona??? :o ) brings up this somewhat off-topic thought - ever notice how when people see a police car on the side of the road ahead of them, they automatically hit the brake, even when traffic is actually moving at a speed below the posted limit? That's guilt at work, not?
Not sure if it is so much guilt as an innate sense of self preservation. Maybe nobody else has ever been stopped for inadvertently speeding.
If the cruise is set, how could it be inadvertent?
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ABC 123

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I apparently am of the few who never use cruise.
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JimFoxvog

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Mountain Merle wrote:I only know of one other Anabaptist besides myself in our area that actually stops.
Not coming to a full stop saves gas. You know we Anabaptists like to be thrifty!

I choose to not come quite to a dead stop. I notice that police cars often do the same, so that is a normal official interpretation of the law.
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Neto

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JimFoxvog wrote:
Mountain Merle wrote:I only know of one other Anabaptist besides myself in our area that actually stops.
Not coming to a full stop saves gas. You know we Anabaptists like to be thrifty!

I choose to not come quite to a dead stop. I notice that police cars often do the same, so that is a normal official interpretation of the law.
Called the "California stop" back in Oklahoma where I grew up (at least back then when I lived there).

The police response depends on who you are. If you are a HS kid with a hot car, then you get nailed for anything they see that qualifies as a traffic violation. (Not my own experience, my older brother's. Of course from what I heard, he sometimes out ran the cops, and got away, too, so he had a target on his back.)
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Neto

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ABC 123 wrote:I apparently am of the few who never use cruise.
Our current family car doesn't have cruise (2009 Dodge Journey), but I have it on my work car, a 2010 Dodge Caravan. I only use it on trips, or if I'm on the interstate. It keeps me from just following the pack and driving way over the speed limit, and also allows me to avoid cramps in my right leg. But if I don't use it while traveling, I will suddenly realize I'm driving well over the posted limit (like *everyone* else.)
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steve-in-kville

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Neto wrote:
Called the "California stop" back in Oklahoma where I grew up (at least back then when I lived there).

The police response depends on who you are. If you are a HS kid with a hot car, then you get nailed for anything they see that qualifies as a traffic violation. (Not my own experience, my older brother's. Of course from what I heard, he sometimes out ran the cops, and got away, too, so he had a target on his back.)
Most police officers already know whether they will cite you before they get out of their car and make contact. Its the attitude of the person being pulled over that can change that!
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ken_sylvania

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Neto wrote:The remark made above about police sometimes acting as a "lead vehicle" (Like at Daytona??? :o ) brings up this somewhat off-topic thought - ever notice how when people see a police car on the side of the road ahead of them, they automatically hit the brake, even when traffic is actually moving at a speed below the posted limit? That's guilt at work, not?
I don't think so. I will tap the brakes or cancel cruise any time I see flashing lights on the shoulder no matter my speed (unless already in a traffic jam). It's the law in our state to either slow down or move over, and it's good safety practice as well.
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Sudsy

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Neto wrote:The remark made above about police sometimes acting as a "lead vehicle" (Like at Daytona??? :o ) brings up this somewhat off-topic thought - ever notice how when people see a police car on the side of the road ahead of them, they automatically hit the brake, even when traffic is actually moving at a speed below the posted limit? That's guilt at work, not?
I would see this more as fear if I have a habit of breaking the speed laws. If lights are flashing I would respond more out of caution to what might be happening ahead.

"For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended" (Romans 13:3).

If I'm driving within the required speed limit I shouldn't have a fear of being punished whether I see a law enforcer or not. If my habit is to 'push my luck' with speeding, I probably will drive with a fear of being caught and punished.
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