Easier to kill babies, harder to kill worms?

[Szdfan]

At some point somebody needs to do a study about how long it takes for a thread to go from serious topic to terrible puns. It’s like Godwin’s Law, but punnier.

[temporal1]

But what happens when a cat that has been declawed in another state is brought into New York? Will it be arrested? Denied entry? Deported? Will it be able to defend itself (at a significant disadvantage) in the ensuing cat fight, or will it be appointed a legal beagle at public expense? This scenario could cause a constitutional crisis under the Interstate Commerce Claws.

I am guessing the whole thing would get catapulted up to the supreme court in no time flat.

Unfortunately, the decades involved indicate revisiting by the USSC is taking an inordinate amount of time, with no date set on the horizon. While animal rights lobbies seem to progress in a fairly straight line to their goals, prolife folks wax and wain.

Bishop Paprocki had words for recent expansion of abortion options in Illinois:

Bishop denies communion to Catholic lawmakers who backed abortion bills
http://newschannel20.com/news/local/rep ... -communion

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. (WICS/WRSP) — Catholic lawmakers in Illinois that voted for abortion expansion bills have been asked to not take communion at church is in the Springfield Diocese.

Bishop Thomas Paprocki has barred these lawmakers because he said they aren’t in good standing with the Catholic Church.

He said he thinks soon, other Catholic leaders will start reacting in similar ways across the country.

“When they pass the legislation, they’re hugging each other, giving each other high fives, celebrating the fact that more abortions are going to take place,” Paprocki said. “They’ve come at 180 degrees from saying abortion should be rare to now saying abortion should be something to celebrate, and so in response to that, I think the church leaders will be speaking out more strongly about that.”

Paprocki said lawmakers will have to ask for forgiveness and make amends for their actions if they want to be allowed communion again.

To do that, he said those that are still in the General Assembly should introduce bills to reverse their actions.

House Speaker Michael Madigan, D-Chicago, and Senate President John Cullerton, D-Chicago, were specifically named in a Paprocki's decree. .. ..

Trump has cut U.S. support for abortions abroad. Canada’s Trudeau is now doubling down on that aid
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/th ... story.html

[temporal1]

Now 2021.
This thread was active PRIOR to 2020 and COVID.
My post is not specifically about worms (or cats’ claws, Page 5) but about the continuation+expansion of devaluing HUMAN life.

Abortion pills.

New York Times / TheMorning
By Emily Bazelon
Staff Writer, NYT Magazine

Good morning.
During the pandemic, health care providers can send abortion medication by mail.
Will the courts allow that to continue?

How the pandemic changed abortion access
The challenges of the pandemic have resulted in new ways of providing care that reach beyond Covid-19 treatments and vaccines.
One area of medicine that could see changes is abortion care.

A growing number of people seeking abortions in the U.S. — almost 40 percent in 2017, according to the Guttmacher Institute — take F.D.A.-approved pills. The regimen includes one drug to stop the pregnancy, and another that causes cramping and bleeding, like a miscarriage. For years, research has shown that this method is safe and more than 95 percent effective.

The increasing use of abortion pills is raising an important question for people in places with a dearth of providers:
Do women need to go to a clinic or a doctor to take them, or to get an ultrasound beforehand, as the U.S. has long required?
Because of Covid, researchers now have a clearer answer.

A study, led by Dr. Abigail Aiken at the University of Texas at Austin, took advantage of a natural pandemic experiment.
In spring 2020, Britain began allowing health care providers to administer medication abortions via telemedicine, with pills mailed to the patient’s home. Aiken and her colleagues compared thousands of medication abortions in Britain for two months before and after the new protocol went into effect. The groups had equally high success rates for completing their abortions (above 98 percent) and similarly low rates of significant complications (0.02 percent of the telemedicine-only abortions, and up to 0.04 percent for the ones with in-person visits). Other recent studies in the U.S. found similar results.

And yet telemedicine-only abortions are available only temporarily in the U.S.
When the F.D.A. approved mifepristone, one abortion drug, in 2000, the agency imposed significant restrictions, requiring providers to obtain a special certification to stock the drug and to give it out only in a clinic, doctor’s office or hospital.

For the moment, Covid has changed these rules.
In response to a lawsuit by the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists and other groups, the F.D.A. said in April that mifepristone could be mailed to patients for the duration of the pandemic.

A future before the court?
Abortion opponents called the F.D.A.’s decision “irresponsible,” arguing that in-person visits were needed to rule out medical risks and ensure the patient’s full consent.

But those who want to expand abortion access are fighting to make the pandemic rules permanent.
“We’re on the cusp of revolutionizing the provision of care,” Destiny Lopez, co-president of the activist group All* Above All, told me.

The F.D.A. has the power to lift the old restrictions for good, and it is reviewing them.
But even if the agency does so, Lopez said, “we won’t be there yet.” Nineteen states effectively ban the use of telemedicine for abortion. If the F.D.A. says the medical evidence justifies making the pills more accessible, a plaintiff could challenge a state telemedicine ban as lacking a real basis in science.

But the current Supreme Court, with its conservative majority, is more likely to cut back abortion access than to increase it, no matter what the science says. (In its next term, which opens in October, the court will hear another abortion case, challenging Mississippi’s near-total ban on abortions after 15 weeks.)

Court rulings and state laws can’t stop people from taking abortion pills at home, because the medication is easily available online.
So are consultations and information about how to use it. But where abortion by mail and telemedicine is illegal, it will remain underground. People could be prosecuted for aiding or participating in it, as a few have been.

A post-Roe America in which many more women take abortion pills in the legal shadows wouldn’t present the same dangers as the pre-Roe era. But it would pose its own risks.

[Emily Bazelon is a writer for The New York Times Magazine.]

Related:
A federal appeals court yesterday upheld a Texas law banning the most common form of second-trimester abortion.

A genuine curiosity in this is how specifically FOR PROFIT ABORTIONISTS, whether by pharmaceutical, chemical, or surgical means, are specifically protected and even gov funded, when at the very same time, others harming or killing the human unborn, are socially ostracized and legally prosecuted, whether young mothers on U.S. college campuses, or remote tribes in South American jungles.

It’s almost as if the for profits will not tolerate competition.

A life sacrificed is a life sacrificed. Is it not?
Whether on a sterile stainless steel lab table, in a bucket in a hospital surgical room, in a dorm room toilet, or on a jungle floor.

Death is death. The one glaring difference in these macabre end results is corporate profits.

These “pills.”
They are POISON created to end human life.

The horror of YOUNG women ingesting poison, alone, cramping, bleeding on toilets, for the purpose of death.
How can this be normalized? By “civilized” “humane” people??

Choices are to be made before conception. There is time. There is choice.

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There are other threads with related discussions. Not easy to locate, this is one:

Meanwhile, in Ireland
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1304

[nett]

At some point somebody needs to do a study about how long it takes for a thread to go from serious topic to terrible puns. It’s like Godwin’s Law, but punnier.

I notice you showed up to mention the puns, but not to address the original post. Care to chime in?

[temporal1]

There are other threads with related discussions. Not easy to locate, this is one:

Meanwhile, in Ireland
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1304

“Inconvenient” “Persons” [Rand Paul’s Petition for the Unborn]
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=36&p=425#p425

[temporal1]

2025 / That word, “poison”

2022 Roe v Wade overturned: viewtopic.php?t=4722&start=180

2025: **P O I S O N**

Bizpac / The abortion pill is poison, not medicine
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2025/05/02 ... e-1540725/

.. Let’s be clear. Even if the abortion pill harmed zero women, it would still be gravely unjust. Because every time it works as intended, a child is killed. A son or daughter—living, growing, with a beating heart—is poisoned, starved, and flushed out of the womb. That is the goal of the abortion pill. That is its function. It ends a human life.

That is why this drug must not just be regulated. It must be banned.

Every abortion is a human rights violation. No government has the moral authority to authorize the execution of an innocent child, whether through surgery or by pill. A just society does not permit lethal drugs whose only “success” is measured in dead children. ..

^^More in text.

The Christian Post / Over 10% of women experienced adverse health effects after taking abortion pill: Report
https://www.christianpost.com/news/1-in ... -pill.html

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Children and teens can grasp the sanctity of life, in fact, it’s long been recognized that children who harm (animals) may have serious psychiatric problems. What madness now to know “responsble” adults teach children and teens that abortion is acceptable, or even good. This has to be one of the most evil aspects, to teach the innocent against God-created truth, the sanctity of human life.

i know a bit about Lila Rose, but have not “followed her”. i didn’t know her interest began at age 15.
She is controversial, often hated, i’m sorry to say.

Daily Caller / LILA ROSE: The Abortion Pill Is Poison, Not Medicine
https://ijr.com/lila-rose-the-abortion- ... -medicine/

Live Action / Our Story: It All Started in a Living Room
https://www.liveaction.org/who-we-are/our-story/

Lila Rose first started Live Action in her living room when she was just 15 years old.
After discovering a book, several years earlier, with photos of children who had been killed by abortion, Lila was moved to help inform other young people about what abortion does to a preborn child. She organized a group of friends to give presentations to local community groups, educating them about the humanity of the preborn and the violence of abortion.

When Lila was a freshman at the University of California, Los Angeles, she noticed that while she knew fellow students were facing unplanned pregnancies, she didn’t see pregnant students on the UCLA campus. To find out what resources and support UCLA offered its pregnant students, she put herself in a pregnant student’s shoes — by posing as a pregnant student. During that first undercover investigation, the head nurse told her that UCLA “does not support women who are pregnant” and referred her, instead, to get an abortion.

In that first investigation, Lila found a common thread that she would continue to uncover in every investigation that followed:
No matter what the abortion industry and its proponents say in public, abortion is not an empowering “choice.”

Since that first investigation in 2006, Live Action has grown to become one of the leading national pro-life organizations in America.

.. In 2008, Live Action was legally formed as a non-partisan, non-profit organization.
Later that year, with a few of her friends, Lila created and produced the first nationally televised undercover investigation of the abortion industry. ..

i agree, this should not be a political matter.

[Bootstrap]

i agree, this should not be a political matter.

Then perhaps trusting political sources to drive this isn't that helpful. And using political framing isn't that helpful. Trying to portray other people as hypocrites and trolling isn't that helpful. As people who agree abortion is wrong, what do we do, beyond virtue signaling by expressing strong opinions to get likes?

I still have no idea what the killing worms part is and what it tells us about how Christians should view abortion or respond to it. Appealing to political factions also seems useless, Trump is also asking the abortion pills lawsuit to be dismissed.

As Christians in the Kingdom of God, what is our response? How can we be salt and light when it comes to abortion pills? How can we help win hearts and minds and change the culture? How can we be salt and light? If it's not a political matter, let's stop making it about politicians and political factions and ask what we, as Christians, should be doing. Perhaps anyone who starts multiple threads on this topic or posts on it with great fervor should also tell us where they are volunteering, who they are serving to make a difference? Or help brainstorm what we, in our own Kingdom, might do?

I used to lobby for Right to Life. I became jaded about the politics of abortion. I give to shelters that provide interim housing for single mothers. In the past, I helped do childcare at one of these centers. What else can we be doing?

[temporal1]

i agree, this should not be a political matter.

Then perhaps trusting political sources to drive this isn't that helpful. ..

i didn’t use political sources, Lila Rose states she’s not political; i agree, “Thou shalt not kill” is not political.
Everyone who pays taxes has a vested interest, no matter voters or not, or any party.
The Public Treasury is made up of everyone’s combined tax dollars.

i’m not aware of a party that is authentically pro life.

i’m not sure why you would read that into it.