Wade wrote:I never asked him about vaccinations... He is an eye doctor... Skilled? I don't understand what you are implying? Are you making fun of me because I shared about my visit to the eye doctor?
No. Thanks for sharing. I was referring to the chiropractor at the restaurant that was able to tell which of your children was vaccinated.
Wade wrote:So since you have a scientific explanation do we still call looking into someone's eyes and detecting illness quackery or witchcraft?
No. Iridology was introduced to the forum when you referenced the chiropractor.
Let's see where we can agree.
We both think that optometrists can detect certain illnesses.
I think that looking at someone's eyes and diagnosing them with unresolved guilt isn't legitimate medical care. Do you agree?
Yes , I agree.
The story about the chiropractor at the restaurant was a true story that happened. I never stated whither it was from God, or if it was from Satan, sorcery, witchcraft, an angel, or whatever some people might dream up.
All that it was, was an event that happened, in no way was I supporting what he said was a good thing - even if he was accurate. Just because I can't explain it doesn't mean it is witchcraft, but maybe it was? I don't know.
What I do know is that diagnosing that someone could be ill from looking in their eyes could easily fit the dictionary definition of iridology and that is something people who are not quacks or witches do regularly. When we are not careful with such claims as have been expressed on here I really belief it gives people a sense of Mennonites falsely accusing and therefore turning people away from biblically Christianity. If we want to reach people language is going to play one of the biggest parts and with some of these conversations on here it is of no surprise to me that CM's that talk like this have so much trouble drawing in unchurched people(my background) in. It's not the culture, too boring, too hard, too etc. - it's too false sounding if we aren't careful.
Wade wrote:So since you have a scientific explanation do we still call looking into someone's eyes and detecting illness quackery or witchcraft?
Trying to look at it logically, I would classify the interactions between observations of the eye and other things going on in the body into three categories:
A. Correlations that have been researched and found to be valid.
B. Correlations that have been researched and found to be invalid, random, or inconclusive.
C. Correlations that have not been researched. There may (or may not) be empirical, anecdotal, hypothetical, or speculative evidence for the correlation.
An optometrist would normally limit his diagnoses to category A. An iridologist might not be careful to distinguish between the categories, and might claim that everything he says belongs in category A.
Wade wrote:I never asked him about vaccinations... He is an eye doctor... Skilled? I don't understand what you are implying? Are you making fun of me because I shared about my visit to the eye doctor?
No. Thanks for sharing. I was referring to the chiropractor at the restaurant that was able to tell which of your children was vaccinated.
Wade wrote:So since you have a scientific explanation do we still call looking into someone's eyes and detecting illness quackery or witchcraft?
No. Iridology was introduced to the forum when you referenced the chiropractor.
Let's see where we can agree.
We both think that optometrists can detect certain illnesses.
I think that looking at someone's eyes and diagnosing them with unresolved guilt isn't legitimate medical care. Do you agree?
Yes , I agree.
The story about the chiropractor at the restaurant was a true story that happened. I never stated whither it was from God, or if it was from Satan, sorcery, witchcraft, an angel, or whatever some people might dream up.
All that it was, was an event that happened, in no way was I supporting what he said was a good thing - even if he was accurate. Just because I can't explain it doesn't mean it is witchcraft, but maybe it was? I don't know.
What I do know is that diagnosing that someone could be ill from looking in their eyes could easily fit the dictionary definition of iridology and that is something people who are not quacks or witches do regularly. When we are not careful with such claims as have been expressed on here I really belief it gives people a sense of Mennonites falsely accusing and therefore turning people away from biblically Christianity. If we want to reach people language is going to play one of the biggest parts and with some of these conversations on here it is of no surprise to me that CM's that talk like this have so much trouble drawing in unchurched people(my background) in. It's not the culture, too boring, too hard, too etc. - it's too false sounding if we aren't careful.
Good, it sounds like we're on the same page. I'm glad to have a better understanding of the chiropractor incident. I misunderstood your characterization of this event. I'm glad the misunderstanding is cleared up. I am somewhat perplexed why you defend alternative medicine. After some discussion, I find out we largely agree.
i had a phone call from the office of a person's eye doctor, telling us that this person has hollenhorst plaque, and wanting cardio to do further assessment.
i had never heard of it. and so when i relayed the message to the doctor, i asked him to explain it to me.
basically, it's plaque that when seen in the eye is a very definite indicator of coronary artery disease, and the patient must be assessed for carotid artery involvement, and then coronary artery involvement as well. it's plaque that has broken off from elsewhere in the arterial system, and ended up in the retinal artery.
body systems work together. of course the eyes give clues to what is going on in the body.
even a crease in the earlobe can indicate potential for cardiac issues.
that being said, iridology? i've never had any experience with it. i don't know much about it, in fact, what i know about it, is what i have read on here, and on md. ('magine that! most definitely not what i'd consider accurate information for either side of the argument.)
QuietObserver wrote:
No. Thanks for sharing. I was referring to the chiropractor at the restaurant that was able to tell which of your children was vaccinated.
No. Iridology was introduced to the forum when you referenced the chiropractor.
Let's see where we can agree.
We both think that optometrists can detect certain illnesses.
I think that looking at someone's eyes and diagnosing them with unresolved guilt isn't legitimate medical care. Do you agree?
Yes , I agree.
The story about the chiropractor at the restaurant was a true story that happened. I never stated whither it was from God, or if it was from Satan, sorcery, witchcraft, an angel, or whatever some people might dream up.
All that it was, was an event that happened, in no way was I supporting what he said was a good thing - even if he was accurate. Just because I can't explain it doesn't mean it is witchcraft, but maybe it was? I don't know.
What I do know is that diagnosing that someone could be ill from looking in their eyes could easily fit the dictionary definition of iridology and that is something people who are not quacks or witches do regularly. When we are not careful with such claims as have been expressed on here I really belief it gives people a sense of Mennonites falsely accusing and therefore turning people away from biblically Christianity. If we want to reach people language is going to play one of the biggest parts and with some of these conversations on here it is of no surprise to me that CM's that talk like this have so much trouble drawing in unchurched people(my background) in. It's not the culture, too boring, too hard, too etc. - it's too false sounding if we aren't careful.
Good, it sounds like we're on the same page. I'm glad to have a better understanding of the chiropractor incident. I misunderstood your characterization of this event. I'm glad the misunderstanding is cleared up. I am somewhat perplexed why you defend alternative medicine. After some discussion, I find out we largely agree.
I have had yeast and digestive issues my entire life. Conventional medicine spent thousands upon thousands with tests and trips to the hospital. They told me things were in my head, they told me changing diet wouldn't help, etc. Eventually I went with my wife to a naturopath doctor, I had no appointment. Just by looking at me the naturopath guessed that I might be an O blood type. He then tested my blood to see if I was an O blood type. When it was confirmed he said that I probably have a wheat intolerance and stomach aches. I left his office without him charging me a single cent and 25 years of constant horrible pain cured.
I don't want this to be about an experience or picking one side or the other. Alternative medicine doesn't not hold much truth but neither does conventional medicine have all truth - there are some serious issues with it too. So I am not intending to sound like I am supporting alternative medicine. In fact I have been back to a naturopath for two other paid visits in the last 10 years. I only went to a chiropractor for the first time last year a couple times and only on the encouragement of Mennonites - I have back issues but it wasn't for me.
If I can share the truth that things like diet and listening to your bodies pain could be more helpful than any medicine or better yet be coupled together with medicine and it help someone else come out of decades of pain then that would be nice. However, all the misinformation and failings of conventional medicine did have a huge impact on saving me. If I never had those heal issues or the doctors continue fail and tell me false information I would have never went looking elsewhere. It lead me to wanting to gain knowledge and eventually reading scripture and finding Christ. All doctors (conventional and alternative) can't bring complete healing, and I thank God for that - He is the only One that does.
QuietObserver wrote:
No. Thanks for sharing. I was referring to the chiropractor at the restaurant that was able to tell which of your children was vaccinated.
No. Iridology was introduced to the forum when you referenced the chiropractor.
Let's see where we can agree.
We both think that optometrists can detect certain illnesses.
I think that looking at someone's eyes and diagnosing them with unresolved guilt isn't legitimate medical care. Do you agree?
Yes , I agree.
The story about the chiropractor at the restaurant was a true story that happened. I never stated whither it was from God, or if it was from Satan, sorcery, witchcraft, an angel, or whatever some people might dream up.
All that it was, was an event that happened, in no way was I supporting what he said was a good thing - even if he was accurate. Just because I can't explain it doesn't mean it is witchcraft, but maybe it was? I don't know.
What I do know is that diagnosing that someone could be ill from looking in their eyes could easily fit the dictionary definition of iridology and that is something people who are not quacks or witches do regularly. When we are not careful with such claims as have been expressed on here I really belief it gives people a sense of Mennonites falsely accusing and therefore turning people away from biblically Christianity. If we want to reach people language is going to play one of the biggest parts and with some of these conversations on here it is of no surprise to me that CM's that talk like this have so much trouble drawing in unchurched people(my background) in. It's not the culture, too boring, too hard, too etc. - it's too false sounding if we aren't careful.
Good, it sounds like we're on the same page. I'm glad to have a better understanding of the chiropractor incident. I misunderstood your characterization of this event. I'm glad the misunderstanding is cleared up. I am somewhat perplexed why you defend alternative medicine. After some discussion, I find out we largely agree.
I have one more story:
I have known a certain man for almost 4 years. We have had conversations for about 2 years. When I bring up God he leaves. When he brings up conspiracy theories, alrternative health things, smoking pot, and etc. I listen.
I just finished a 1.5hour conversation with him about the kingdom of God that ended with him beaming, where he admitted he said a lot of crazy things to me in the past but because he never felt judged, he is now more than comfortable being able to share his thoughts with me about spiritual things and realizes through these crazy conspiracy theories and etc he was actually searching for something more.
Praise the Lord.
Szdfan wrote:I chose “witchcraft” so I could link to this:
Weighing the results of the poll so far, it appears nobody considers iridology to be anything other than quackery and/or witchcraft. So, on balance, whether she's a witch or a duck ... wood it matter?
Szdfan wrote:I chose “witchcraft” so I could link to this:
Weighing the results of the poll so far, it appears nobody considers iridology to be anything other than quackery and/or witchcraft. So, on balance, whether she's a witch or a duck ... wood it matter?
They all float, so doesn’t it make them the same thing?
