Christians and tattoos

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karpos

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Bootstrap wrote:
Or do you actually believe that the entire Jewish law is binding on us today? Even with blankets on your furniture, you better make sure women don't sit on it at certain times of the month ...
a major difference between OT and NT is OT allows divorce and remarriage and the new testament does not. Do you hold to the new testament teaching or the old testament in that aspect?
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Bootstrap

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karpos wrote:
Bootstrap wrote:Or do you actually believe that the entire Jewish law is binding on us today? Even with blankets on your furniture, you better make sure women don't sit on it at certain times of the month ...
a major difference between OT and NT is OT allows divorce and remarriage and the new testament does not. Do you hold to the new testament teaching or the old testament in that aspect?
I believe the New Testament teaching on divorce and remarriage. We could discuss (once again?) what that is in another thread. Or let's not and say we did, that's been discussed endlessly here. Why do you avoid answering the question?

Do you or do you not believe that Old Testament law is binding today? This is a question about how we should regard the verse from Leviticus that you quoted.

And should I expect a jab in every response you give? If so, maybe the topic isn't worth it.
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karpos

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Bootstrap wrote: Even with blankets on your furniture, you better make sure women don't sit on it at certain times of the month ...
do you enjoy herring by chance? red ones maybe?
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Bootstrap

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karpos wrote:
Bootstrap wrote: Even with blankets on your furniture, you better make sure women don't sit on it at certain times of the month ...
do you enjoy herring by chance? red ones maybe?
I am asking precisely whether you believe the Old Covenant is binding on Christians today. I am trying to take this seriously as a question of biblical interpretation. I could make long lists of what the laws in Leviticus prescribe, if you like. I am asking you whether you believe that all of these prescriptions are binding on Christians today.

And I don't enjoy red herrings, so a simple and direct answer would be helpful, without rancor. It makes it much easier for Christians to discuss what the Bible says together.
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karpos

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Bootstrap wrote:
Do you or do you not believe that Old Testament law is binding today? This is a question about how we should regard the verse from Leviticus that you quoted.
the moral law in the new testament is stronger than the old. murder, theft, adultery, false testimony and the like were wrong from the beginning before any scripture was written and nothing has changed that.

Convince me that "Thou shalt not kill." is no longer binding. You can't.

the human body is a temple and as such Christians dont need to look like some heathen drug addict.
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Bootstrap

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karpos wrote:
Bootstrap wrote:Do you or do you not believe that Old Testament law is binding today? This is a question about how we should regard the verse from Leviticus that you quoted.
the moral law in the new testament is stronger than the old. murder, theft, adultery, false testimony and the like were wrong from the beginning before any scripture was written and nothing has changed that.

Convince me that "Thou shalt not kill." is no longer binding. You can't.

the human body is a temple and as such Christians dont need to look like some heathen drug addict.
You didn't answer the question. Is that a yes or a no? Do you believe that every command in Leviticus is still binding on Christians today?
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karpos

Re: Christians and tattoos

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Bootstrap wrote:
karpos wrote:
Bootstrap wrote:Do you or do you not believe that Old Testament law is binding today? This is a question about how we should regard the verse from Leviticus that you quoted.
the moral law in the new testament is stronger than the old. murder, theft, adultery, false testimony and the like were wrong from the beginning before any scripture was written and nothing has changed that.

Convince me that "Thou shalt not kill." is no longer binding. You can't.

the human body is a temple and as such Christians dont need to look like some heathen drug addict.
You didn't answer the question. Is that a yes or a no? Do you believe that every command in Leviticus is still binding on Christians today?
the moral commandments, ceremonial commandments, commandments concerning animal sacrifices?

Do you believe the bible? Yes or no? 0 or 1.

boolean logic is rather primitive dont you think?
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Bootstrap

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karpos wrote:the moral commandments, ceremonial commandments, commandments concerning animal sacrifices?

Do you believe the bible? Yes or no? 0 or 1.

boolean logic is rather primitive dont you think?
Use whatever logic you want. How do you personally determine which commandments from Leviticus are still binding on Christians today, and why? We have probably discussed that in a thread, it's an interesting and difficult topic, Christians take different approaches.

Your initial post on this topic quoted one verse from Leviticus, out of context, as though it is clearly binding on all Christians and that settles the debate. I don't think that's a safe approach to biblical interpretation.
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karpos

Re: Christians and tattoos

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Bootstrap wrote:
karpos wrote:the moral commandments, ceremonial commandments, commandments concerning animal sacrifices?

Do you believe the bible? Yes or no? 0 or 1.

boolean logic is rather primitive dont you think?
Use whatever logic you want. How do you personally determine which commandments from Leviticus are still binding on Christians today, and why? We have probably discussed that in a thread, it's an interesting and difficult topic, Christians take different approaches.

Your initial post on this topic quoted one verse from Leviticus, out of context, as though it is clearly binding on all Christians and that settles the debate. I don't think that's a safe approach to biblical interpretation.
You're using logical fallacies rather than logic. There's a big difference.

Shall we move to the logical fallacy thread?

http://forum.mennonet.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1557
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Bootstrap

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karpos wrote:You're using logical fallacies rather than logic. There's a big difference.

Shall we move to the logical fallacy thread?

http://forum.mennonet.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1557
Oooh, the ultimate red herring! I can point out what I think your logical fallacies are, you can point out what you think mine are, and we can each accuse each other of being illogical at the top of our voices without listening to each other at all, what fun!

I don't understand why you think that one verse from Leviticus settles the question, and I think you are taking it out of context. I don't think the discussion has really progressed since then, I was hoping you would explain why you think that verse does settle it. Or perhaps you don't believe that. I actually don't know, and won't unless you answer.

I'm out of this thread until that happens.

P.S., I see this answer in the other thread:
karpos wrote:A better way of understanding the bible is to examine scripture in context and in its entirety. Clearly animal sacrifices, sabbath commandments and ceremonial laws pertaining to the temple do not apply to us but things such as murder and adultery have been wrong since the garden of eden and that hasnt changed.
How do you apply that to this particular verse in Leviticus, in context?
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