A Cross Cultural Experience

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Ernie
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A Cross Cultural Experience

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We are spending the weekend with the Hope Christian Church in Akron, OH. Hope is a new, small conservative-Anabaptist church that has also started a small inner-city school. This church interacts with Bhutanese-Nepalese and Afghan refugees.

There are about 35-40,000 Nepalese living in Akron. Another 60,000 live in the greater Columbus, Ohio area. About 10% now profess Christianity and there are about 18 churches here in Akron. Some of these refugees from Bhutan were converted in refugee camps in Nepal, by Christians who taught them the Gospel once they left the very restricted country of Bhutan. Others became Christian after coming to the US.

You can learn more about how this church got started in Akron here. https://churchplantersforum.org/finding ... rust-belt/

Yesterday afternoon we helped prepare food for a memorial service for a man who battled cancer for the last 8 years and was one of the first Nepalese Christians to move into the area. Funeral services last a few days.

Yesterday and the day before, food was needed for about 150 people, and it was prepared in a church family's garage.

And believe it or not, once the food was made, we, along with about 150 Bhutanese-Nepalese, packed into the widow’s 1650 sq. ft. home (about 3/4th the size of ours) for the evening service. Except for narrow paths throughout the house, basically every square foot, including the bedrooms, had people. (imagine the 300 shoes on the porch and in the garage.)

There were seats for about 15-20 people. The rest sat on the floor and a few stood at the edges. A friend preached the message (via translator) in a basement room approximately 16’x25’. About 80 people were packed into that room. And my, did they ever sing. The service was livestreamed via iPhone to a TV in the living room and to people’s phones throughout the house.

As soon as the service was ended, the food, which had been portioned out into styrofoam take-out boxes during the service, was quickly distributed throughout the house via relay.

This was one of the best cross-cultural experiences I have had in the last 7 years. 😊
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I have had a number of friends including seekers in the Akron area. When I first started attending my old church in Hartville, I was, like many new seekers, very eager to invite people and invited friends, who in turn invited other friends. It was about 30 minutes away.

Fast forward to the present and someone told me there is a ministry in Akron I should know about and I got in touch with whoever runs it. He was excited to talk to me about volunteering opportunities, etc.

Things took a negative turn, though, when I mentioned I knew seekers in Akron who were interested in a conservative Anabaptist church. He informed the church in Akron is only intended for migrants and is not open to people "from" Akron.

I thought that that perhaps might just be a one time thing or it was a specific ministry. A few years later, I learned from some other people (another person who lives in Akron and currently attends the church in Hartville) that he, too, was told he wasn't really a "good fit" for that church since he wasn't part of the immigrant population.
This was one of the best cross-cultural experiences I have had in the last 7 years.
I would like to see churches that are open to cross-cultural experiences between plain Mennonites, people who were born and grew up in Akron, and the various immigrants who have found their way there, including Nepalese people. It is sad that this congregation isn't one of them.
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JohnH wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2026 12:06 pm I have had a number of friends including seekers in the Akron area. When I first started attending my old church in Hartville, I was, like many new seekers, very eager to invite people and invited friends, who in turn invited other friends. It was about 30 minutes away.

Fast forward to the present and someone told me there is a ministry in Akron I should know about and I got in touch with whoever runs it. He was excited to talk to me about volunteering opportunities, etc.

Things took a negative turn, though, when I mentioned I knew seekers in Akron who were interested in a conservative Anabaptist church. He informed the church in Akron is only intended for migrants and is not open to people "from" Akron.

I thought that that perhaps might just be a one time thing or it was a specific ministry. A few years later, I learned from some other people (another person who lives in Akron and currently attends the church in Hartville) that he, too, was told he wasn't really a "good fit" for that church since he wasn't part of the immigrant population.
This was one of the best cross-cultural experiences I have had in the last 7 years.
I would like to see churches that are open to cross-cultural experiences between plain Mennonites, people who were born and grew up in Akron, and the various immigrants who have found their way there, including Nepalese people. It is sad that this congregation isn't one of them.
I suspect that the 'organizers' of that congregation, and others like it, are wanting to 'protect' it from being over-run by 'native' English speakers (where the original 'target group' becomes a minority, just as they are in the larger society). I kinda' know how that can happen, from our own experiences in non-majority language settings.
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Neto wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2026 1:23 pm I suspect that the 'organizers' of that congregation, and others like it, are wanting to 'protect' it from being over-run by 'native' English speakers (where the original 'target group' becomes a minority, just as they are in the larger society). I kinda' know how that can happen, from our own experiences in non-majority language settings.
Yet people from plain ethnic backgrounds can and do participate. It's simply closed off to people in the local area.

I suppose someone can define a church that only has its doors open towards "people who speak Nepalese" and "people who are from a plain Anabaptist ethnic background, but not including seekers"; the question is if this is explicitly stated anywhere. It certainly is not something I would call "cross cultural" and seems to fly in the face of what Christianity is supposed to be about.

If it were a Nepalese church with its own Nepalese leadership that conducts them in a non-English language, that would be a different matter, but as far as I can tell it is owned and operated by English-speaking people.
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JohnH wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2026 2:52 pm
Neto wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2026 1:23 pm I suspect that the 'organizers' of that congregation, and others like it, are wanting to 'protect' it from being over-run by 'native' English speakers (where the original 'target group' becomes a minority, just as they are in the larger society). I kinda' know how that can happen, from our own experiences in non-majority language settings.
Yet people from plain ethnic backgrounds can and do participate. It's simply closed off to people in the local area.

I suppose someone can define a church that only has its doors open towards "people who speak Nepalese" and "people who are from a plain Anabaptist ethnic background, but not including seekers"; the question is if this is explicitly stated anywhere. It certainly is not something I would call "cross cultural" and seems to fly in the face of what Christianity is supposed to be about.

If it were a Nepalese church with its own Nepalese leadership that conducts them in a non-English language, that would be a different matter, but as far as I can tell it is owned and operated by English-speaking people.
I do not know anything about this case, but often times 'ministry personnel' will be involved as leadership until they are able to adequately train someone from the group they are attempting to reach. Of course there is the question of what does 'adequately trained' mean, and who is defining it. Around here, probably the 'church planters'. That's not the way we did it in WBT, but it's what is most often seen, especially when the church planters do not have extensive training in church growth principles, or when they simply want to maintain control so as to avoid starting something that ends up off track (from their own vision and custom), or even grossly aberrant. But that is a risk that is always present in most any kind of out-reach. (It happened with a congregation formed out of our congregation. Not aberrant, but displaying some unfortunate characteristics. And it eventually failed completely.) I do think that you are most likely correct in implying (at least that's how I am understanding your comments) that this case is not really 'cross-cultural'. Perhaps Ernie meant 'cross-cultural ministry', which is not the same as a cross-cultural fellowship.

What some have done is to form an informal relationship with a congregation of another cultural background and language, and meet together on a periodic basis. But this sound different, and unless it grew to this size very rapidly, there should be at least one in-group person, if not a group of men, who is/are taking on leadership responsibilities.
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JohnH wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2026 2:52 pm
Neto wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2026 1:23 pm I suspect that the 'organizers' of that congregation, and others like it, are wanting to 'protect' it from being over-run by 'native' English speakers (where the original 'target group' becomes a minority, just as they are in the larger society). I kinda' know how that can happen, from our own experiences in non-majority language settings.
Yet people from plain ethnic backgrounds can and do participate. It's simply closed off to people in the local area.

I suppose someone can define a church that only has its doors open towards "people who speak Nepalese" and "people who are from a plain Anabaptist ethnic background, but not including seekers"; the question is if this is explicitly stated anywhere. It certainly is not something I would call "cross cultural" and seems to fly in the face of what Christianity is supposed to be about.

If it were a Nepalese church with its own Nepalese leadership that conducts them in a non-English language, that would be a different matter, but as far as I can tell it is owned and operated by English-speaking people.
There was not a Plain Anabaptist church officially formed until this year. It began forming about 2 years ago.
For the first 15 years, they were trying to provide Biblical teaching and counsel to Nepalese pastors and others without much Christian background and were assisting them in working through the challenges of explosive growth in a new land.
For example, some Nepalese people left their idols in Nepal because they were moving to "Christian America", and they believed that they should adopt the religion of the host country. So they became "Christian" when they arrived in America, but they never really had a conversion experience or understood the implications of the Gospel.
Also, as happens frequently, believers from other countries get here and begin pursuing the American dream and interacting with compromising churches, and they start rapidly losing Christian values, particularly in the younger generation. This has happened to the Nepali churches as well. So there has been a huge need for coaching.

Now that a conservative Anabaptist church has been formed, I'm assuming they are open to anyone from Akron attending, but I will look into this and get back to you.
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The story of the Nepali speaking Bhutanese, their expulsion from Bhutan, their two decades in refugee camps, and their eventual resettlement is an interesting one I did not know about. In many ways they remind me of our own Swiss-German refugee story.
In a general way, we moved to the US, tried to live at peace with all men, kept our language for centuries, and contributed to the economic success of the nation.
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Here is what AI has to say about the Nepali speaking Bhutanese refugees.
The Lhotshampas (Nepali-speaking Bhutanese) are people of Nepali descent who migrated to southern Bhutan starting in the late 19th century.

History and Expulsion

• Settlement: Nepali-speaking communities settled in southern Bhutan to cultivate land and work with the government. They were granted official citizenship under the 1958 Nationality Act.
• "Bhutanization" Policy: In the late 1980s and early 1990s, the Bhutanese monarchy instituted a "One Nation, One People" policy to protect Drukpa majority culture. This included strict citizenship laws, bans on the Nepali language, and mandatory national dress.
• Refugee Crisis: The government stripped over 100,000 Lhotshampas of their citizenship and forced them out or caused them to flee. They spent decades in UNHCR refugee camps in eastern Nepal.

Resettlement and Diaspora

• Third-Country Resettlement: Starting around 2007, more than 100,000 of these refugees were resettled globally through the United Nations, with the majority moving to the United States (including notable local communities in states like Ohio and Minnesota), as well as Australia, Canada, and Europe.
• Identity: Many Bhutanese individuals in Western nations identify strongly with or as Nepali because of their shared ancestry, language, and years spent growing up or living in refugee camps in Nepal.

Life in the eastern Nepal refugee camps (such as Beldangi and Sanischare) for nearly two decades was a complex mix of harsh physical restrictions, structured international aid, and an extraordinarily resilient community.

⛺ Camp Conditions

• Densely Packed Infrastructure: Over 100,000 refugees were housed across seven primary camps in thousands of tightly packed bamboo and plastic huts. The close proximity created a vibrant neighborhood feel but also presented significant fire and safety hazards.
• Meager Rations: The United Nations World Food Programme distributed strict food allotments. Baskets primarily consisted of rice, lentils, sugar, salt, and vegetable oil. Fresh vegetables, fruit, and meat were rare luxuries. Many refugees supplemented their diet by taking under-the-table labor jobs nearby.
• Resource Deprivation: For most of their duration, the camps operated without electricity or indoor running water. Early years were plagued by major disease outbreaks like scurvy, beriberi, and malaria before international infrastructure stabilized the environment.
• Legal and Movement Restrictions: The Nepalese government did not grant refugees citizenship or the legal right to work. They were formally restricted to the camps, leaving them entirely dependent on international aid.

📚 The Education System

The education system is widely remembered as the crowning achievement of the camps, often recognized by the UNHCR as a global model of success.
• Refugee-Led Operations: Managed primarily by aid organizations with UN funding, the camp schools were staffed almost entirely by the refugees themselves. Educated Lhotshampas served as teachers and administrators for minimal stipends.
• High Standards and Curriculum: The schools operated primarily in English and initially followed curricula aligned with Bhutanese and Indian academic standards. Classes ran up to the 10th grade. For higher education, exceptional students sought further schooling or university placement in Nepal or India.
• Values and Equality: The schools maintained a very low dropout rate and near-perfect gender parity between boys and girls. Because many of the refugees had been expelled for advocating democratic reforms, textbooks heavily emphasized human rights, civic responsibility, and democratic values.

✨ The "Marvels" of Camp Life

Despite the severe hardships, the community managed to build a thriving, self-sustaining society within the bamboo walls.
• Flourishing Micro-Economy: Refugees turned the camp interiors into bustling hubs of trade. They established vibrant tailoring shops, bicycle repair stands, metalworking businesses, and small corner markets to trade goods.
• Rich Cultural and Religious Life: The community preserved their heritage by building temples, churches, and shrines. Major Hindu, Buddhist, Christian, and Kirat holidays were celebrated collaboratively, fostering deep interfaith harmony and mutual respect.
• Social Safety Networks: The refugees organized their own internal governance, youth mentorship programs, and medical volunteer networks. Neighbors casually looked out for one another, creating an ironclad social fabric that prevented the community from collapsing under the weight of decades-long displacement.
This high level of internal education, professional drive, and community resilience ultimately became the key to their highly successful global resettlement in places like the United States.


🏠 The Architecture of the Huts

The camps were a sea of thousands of uniform, closely packed shelters. Because the Nepalese government viewed the camps as strictly temporary, refugees were legally forbidden from building permanent structures using brick, stone, or concrete.
• Building Materials: The huts were constructed entirely from organic, semi-permanent materials. The primary framework was made of split bamboo woven into walls, supported by wooden posts. Roofs were initially made of thatch or straw, which were later supplemented or replaced by blue plastic tarpaulins distributed by the UNHCR to prevent leaking during the monsoon season.
• Size and Layout: A standard hut was roughly 10 by 12 feet or slightly larger, designed to house an entire family (often 5 to 8 people). The interior was typically divided by thin bamboo screens into two or three tiny sections: a small cooking area and a shared sleeping/living space.
• Flooring: The floors were made of beaten earth. To keep the dust down and maintain cleanliness, families meticulously plastered the dirt floors with a smooth mixture of mud, water, and cow dung, which dried into a hard, clean, and surprisingly durable surface.

🛠️ Construction, Maintenance, and Logistics

Building and maintaining these shelters was a constant, collective effort that required immense manual labor.
• Community "Dashain" Construction: When the camps were first established, and whenever new sections expanded, the refugees organized into communal labor teams. Neighbors helped neighbors raise frames and weave bamboo walls, transforming construction into a social event.
• The Monsoon Battle: The weather was the greatest enemy of the huts. The intense summer monsoons heavily degraded the thatch roofs and rotted the bamboo pillars. Every year before the rains arrived, families had to re-thatch their roofs, patch holes in the woven walls, and secure plastic tarps with heavy stones or bamboo poles to keep them from blowing away in storms.
• Resource Distribution: The UNHCR and its partner agencies ran regular distribution cycles for building supplies. Families received specialized tokens to collect allotments of fresh bamboo, plastic sheeting, and twine to perform their annual repairs.

🔥 Hazards and Daily Challenges

Living in a bamboo city came with severe physical vulnerabilities that impacted daily survival.
• The Constant Threat of Fire: Because thousands of huts were built touching one another, and every family cooked over open flame or small kerosene stoves inside, fire was a terrifying and constant hazard. A single spark could trigger a catastrophic chain reaction. Over the decades, massive fires periodically swept through camps like Beldangi, wiping out thousands of homes in a matter of hours and forcing families to rebuild from scratch.
• Pest and Weather Exposure: Woven bamboo walls offer very little insulation. The huts became stiflingly hot in the summer and damp and cold during the winter. Additionally, the organic materials easily harbored pests, including rats, mosquitoes, and occasionally dangerous snakes that crawled in from the surrounding tropical forests.
• Lack of Privacy: The thin, woven bamboo walls provided visual screening but zero acoustic privacy. Conversations, crying babies, and daily family arguments could easily be heard by neighbors on all sides, forcing the community to develop a high degree of social tolerance and collective understanding.
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My experience is they can be quite tribal, relationship is everything. This can feel to an outsider like they are not reliable because it is important for them to agree with you and say yes to things they can't or don't intend to do. Saying no is a far greater social offence then not following through.
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barnhart wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2026 2:36 pm My experience is they can be quite tribal, relationship is everything.
Similar to traditional Anabaptists?
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