Yes I agree...I meant I agreed with his comment that there are some people that "never in a million years" would they be made the Director of Operations (or whatever the title was) based on their lack of "pedigree." I wouldn't call them "evil."I agree with this but that makes them guilty of culture or tribal arrogance which seems different than saying they are evil.
Stereotyping and Overgeneralizing People and Institutions
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Cultural/tribal arrogance that leads one to try to cover up hurting and molesting children seems to me to be, in fact, evil. I don't see why we can't say as much.
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Covering these things up, I think, was clearly evil. Thinking Our People would never do such a thing clearly permitted evil to occur, but perhaps more naive than evil. Leadership must not be this naive.
The guilty parties may well have repented deeply. I certainly hope so. So I am hesitant to call them evil people.
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1. Are we discussing the topic? Good.
2. Are we going around and around in a fight? Let's stop doing that.
3. Is there some serious wrongdoing or relational injury? Let's address that, probably not in public and certainly not for show.
2. Are we going around and around in a fight? Let's stop doing that.
3. Is there some serious wrongdoing or relational injury? Let's address that, probably not in public and certainly not for show.
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When I regularly went to Bible studies at our county jail, there was a class of inmate that was despised by all the others. I think it was mainly because they could feel better about themselves knowing that there were people who had committed crimes so much worse than theirs. This class of course was the sex offenders, particularly those who had molested minors. I saw some of them come to Bible study with fresh bruises due to being slapped around by other inmates.
When you call someone evil, don't let it be for such a reason.
When you call someone evil, don't let it be for such a reason.
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ken_sylvania
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It must be nice to be able to have such a high degree of certainty about how to respond to such cases.Bootstrap wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2026 4:45 pmCovering these things up, I think, was clearly evil. Thinking Our People would never do such a thing clearly permitted evil to occur, but perhaps more naive than evil. Leadership must not be this naive.
The guilty parties may well have repented deeply. I certainly hope so. So I am hesitant to call them evil people.
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ken_sylvania
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Because intent matters. And words have meanings. And because truth actually matters.
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To call it “evil” might be psychologically satisfying, but it’s also word that’s vague and doesn’t actually name the issues that allowed it to happen. “Cultural/tribal arrogance” is much more concrete and precise.ken_sylvania wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2026 6:30 pmBecause intent matters. And words have meanings. And because truth actually matters.
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"Woe to those who make unjust laws, to those who issue oppressive decrees, to deprive the poor of their rights and withhold justice from the oppressed of my people, making widows their prey and robbing the fatherless."
-- Isaiah 10:1-2
-- Isaiah 10:1-2
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Szdfan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2026 6:54 pmTo call it “evil” might be psychologically satisfying, but it’s also word that’s vague and doesn’t actually name the issues that allowed it to happen. “Cultural/tribal arrogance” is much more concrete and precise.ken_sylvania wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2026 6:30 pmBecause intent matters. And words have meanings. And because truth actually matters.
IMO, Evil would be...ken_sylvania wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2026 6:30 pmBecause intent matters. And words have meanings. And because truth actually matters.
1. Covering or protecting an offender in order to help/assist him in abusing more people.
or
2. Believing that the offender is likely to abuse more people but washing one's hands of the matter or looking the other way whenever it is known that abuse will probably happen.
I don't think that either of these describe those who sent Jeriah to Haiti. That is why I call it naivete. Those responsible for this as well as thousands of others have learned a lot from this. I wish I could say that everyone learned from this but I haven't seen evidence of that.
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A wee little man can’t say, I’m sorry. A big man owns his mistakes and apologizes.
A wee little man trusts himself and his own discernment. A big man is humble enough to know that he needs the counsel and input of others.
A wee little man trusts himself and his own discernment. A big man is humble enough to know that he needs the counsel and input of others.
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I would add to Ernie's list the possibility of misguided or insufficient doctrine of sin, forgiveness, restoration and redemption.
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Isn't that naivete?
What list? You aren't saying that the above is evil, correct?
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A wee little man can’t say, I’m sorry. A big man owns his mistakes and apologizes.
A wee little man trusts himself and his own discernment. A big man is humble enough to know that he needs the counsel and input of others.
A wee little man trusts himself and his own discernment. A big man is humble enough to know that he needs the counsel and input of others.