Cheering+funding felony crime.

[temporal1]

LINDSAY CLANCY

From reports, Ms Clancy’s GFM has reached $1M+ (i haven’t looked at the page) - and she has a large group of fans wearing pink while cheering+funding murder of 3 babies. The enthusiasm for murdering one’s own children is believed to have escalated to copy cat murders.

i’m going to add “ALLEGED” to these accused copy cats:

“The Clancy Bunch: 8 more since the trial started”
“Mistrial.
Lindsay Clancy has received a wave of support, fans, and money since becoming famous.

There have been 8 more Lindsay Clancy’s since the start of her trial on July 27th.”

1. Deja Coleman — Georgia — July 29
2. Kailey Erhart — North Dakota — August 6
3. Kaitlin Evans — Ohio — August 6
4. Sienna Herrera — Texas — by August 10
5. Anum Khalil Khan — Texas — August 12
6. Devorah Diaz Perez — Georgia — before August 3
7. Ephreana Brady — Tennessee — August 27
8. Corie Walsh — Illinois — September 1

P.8:
https://forum.mennonet.com/viewtopic.ph ... 4&start=70
Bio Lindsay Clancy
https://www.biography.com/crime/a716033 ... rder-trial

When i started this topic, i had NO idea there would be one case after another, “cheering+funding felony crime”.
It strikes me as ghoulish.

Because i believe in the sanctity of life, AND i believe sanctity of life belief begins in the womb, in the cradle, and continues throughout life, i’m at a loss to look at grown adults who seem to have no knowledge or appreciation or interest in it.

There’s celebration of unprovoked murder of the unarmed and defenseless. How can this be?

It doesn’t seem real. Not possible.

Massachusetts does not have a state death penalty;
life imprisonment without parole is the most severe punishment for first-degree murder.

i don’t believe there was any possibility of the death penalty for L Clancy (for 3 murders).
She and her attorney did not dispute she killed her 3 babies. She committed 3 murders.

The trial was about sentencing or not, and terms/details.

[temporal1]

Because of the Lindsay Clancy case, i’m thinking of personhood for the unborn, infants, toddlers, children -
wherein all these would have/be assigned legal representation to speak for them in court until they are no longer minors. ???

Somethin’s gotta give.

Many have noticed, in the Clancy case, the 3 babies seem forgotten.

2016 / "Inconvenient" "Persons" [Rand Paul's Petition for the Unborn]
https://forum.mennonet.com/viewtopic.php?t=36

[JohnH]

Well, temporal1's thread title was seemingly prophetic, because we now have people cheering and funding Lindsay Clancy's felony crimes to the tune of $1 million.

Lindsay Clancy was incredibly privileged and had access to excellent health care including mental health care. Both sets of grandparents lived nearby. Her husband had a good-paying job and good career, which he was able to use to change from a job with travel away from home to one where he worked from home 3 days a week. They were able to afford nannies to help.

Postpartum depression is very real, affecting 10-20% of women, but usually peaks 1-3 weeks after childbirth, sometimes peaking as late as 6 weeks after childbirth. She killed her kids 8 months after giving birth, and was being actively treated for it by multiple experts. Women with postpartum

Postpartum psychosis is much rarer, affecting arond 0.1% - 0.2% of new mothers. There no data, though, on how common postpartum pysochsis is 8 months after birth; generally speaking, a psychosis that late is generaly believed to not be related to postpartum depression and is just general psychosis. Homicide due to postpartum psychosis is likewise estimated at 0.15%, so we are talking about something with around a 1 in a million likelihood - and there is, again, no data at all on filicide (killing your own kids) due to postpartum psychosis, let alone 8 months after birth. As far as we know, this is the first time a woman has ever killed her own kids due to postpartum psychosis 8 or more months after birth.

Or perhaps that's not what happened.

In America, we can't incarcerate people in mental institutions against their well. She had been in a mental institution for 5 days, but wanted to leave to attend one of her childrens' birthday parties, and the medical experts there did not have grounds to hold her against her will. Mentally ill people do have rights, but along with those rights also come responsibilities. Many, many mentally ill people do not murder their own children, or for that matter murder or harm anyone else. Mental illness is not an excuse or a valid reason to commit murder.

However, Lindsay Clancy didn't take advantage of that panoply of mental health services. She avoided taking her psychiatric medication, and frequently would switch to new doctors/providers and not be honest and upfront about her medical history. She told the doctors she was feeling better/felt fine.

Ultimately, this ended in her premediating how to get her husband out of the house so she could kill her kids: lying to her husband

And that, friends, has a fundraiser right now being cheered and funded to the tune of over a million dollars. Make no mistake: this is how a woman of privilege is treated in America: access to the best resources, nannies, and healthcare, and millions of dollars. She can say "Yes, I killed my kids," but still demands there be no punishment or consequences.

These kinds of women have already demanded the "right' to murder their own babies before they are born, aided and abbetted by weak men who refuse to stand up and say "No! This is wrong." And now we see it expanded: they now demand the right to kill their children after they are born - whether 8 months old, 3 years old, or 5 years old - and to do so whilst the still-living children get to stay alive for a few more minutes to watch their brother and sister be murdered.

It's time to say, "No! This is wrong." There should be consequences for murder. That is why governments and the state exist. There should be consequences for abusing one's own children. There should be consequences for abusing someone else's children. There should be consequences for murdering one's own children - or anyone's children.

So, we see a mirror held up to American society, and specifically western, liberal, American women as a whole (with some interesting outliers like Candace Owens, who is quite obviously a liberal too given her reaction to this): "I should be allowed to murder my own children if I feel like it." Perhaps we should ask ourselves how God feels about this?

"Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man."

"He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death."

"But if a man come presumptuously upon his neighbour, to slay him with guile; thou shalt take him from mine altar, that he may die."

"And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death."

"Moreover ye shall take no satisfaction for the life of a murderer, which is guilty of death: but he shall be surely put to death."

"Whoso killeth any person, the murderer shall be put to death by the mouth of witnesses: but one witness shall not testify against any person to cause him to die."

None of this is to say that Patrick Clancy or the rest of the family should not forgive her - and by all accounts, he has forgiven her. He has not expressed any desire for vengeance and has indeed said he doesn't even really want her to be incarcerated for life, let alone executed.

But that does not change justice. Justice demands that those who kill innocent little babies be put to death.

[temporal1]

P.4 / HK speaking of Jesus:

as HK wrote elsewhere:

I think that’s right.

His [Jesus’] empathy, though didn’t extend to dismissing or minimizing the sin of the marginalized, either.
That’s the error of the welcoming and affirming churches. They begin the “process” sometimes genuinely, of trying to understand the other and to not make the other’s sin larger than any other’s. They quickly move along though to affirming and blessing the other’s sin. That I think is the mistake of allowing empathy to supersede and subsume all other values.

As one who was born into a “marginalized” family, believe you+me, we were all capable of and expected to know right from wrong, no free passes because we were “have nots”. It’s insulting and completely against everything in scriptures to suggest otherwise. Scriptures repeatedly describe the humble as being the better off.

Btw. As a child, i had NO idea my family was marginalized. i think it was in the 5-6th grade when a teacher let me know.
See, i’d written something really positive about my home life. The teacher spoke to me privately to let me know this couldn’t be.
i was pretty shocked.

In our home, we were taught that being together and healthy was being rich. That being thankful for each meal and the hands that prepared it, was being rich. We saw our father in thankful humility he could work to see we had food to eat. He would sadly describe others less fortunate, and wanted to prevent us from that suffering.

The teacher corrected all that misunderatanding i’d learned at home. It was quite a shock to young me.

Sometimes the most well-meaning intentions are really grave insults. With high costs.

Jesus gets it right. He does not fail.

[JohnH]

t1, you also had a mother and father who kept you alive. Which is more than many babies and kids have these days.

You were rich indeed.

[temporal1]

t1, you also had a mother and father who kept you alive. Which is more than many babies and kids have these days.

You were rich indeed.

yes. funny, tho.
i’m sure my young brain worked in a way that believed i was rich because my mother+father were alive and present.
that’s what children want - their mother+father, safe and present. rich or poor, circumstances don’t matter.

funny how some in poverty live in gratitude, others with “everything” experience continual dissatisfaction.

i suppose a most important prayer is for the gift of gratitude.

2021 / i’m reminded of a fav HK post from years ago:

OP:

I found this article interesting...
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ ... out-485107
In particular the opposition to canals and railroads in the 1800's.

"It was a position echoed by Monroe, who vetoed plans to erect tolls on a national highway, and Andrew Jackson, who famously vetoed funding for the Maysville Road in 1830. All three presidents professed support for internal improvements, but only if they were principally financed by state and local governments, or by chartered corporations.

But opponents of federal funding for internal improvements feared more than just an empowered federal state. They understood that internal improvements would usher in a new reality—one in which a cherished agrarian republic gave way to a mixed economy of farms and small towns, factories and cities, agriculture and commerce. In a short story published in 1843, Nathaniel Hawthorne, a steadfast Jacksonian Democrat in politics, likened the railroad to “a sort of mechanical demon that would hurry us to the infernal regions.”

In North Carolina, opponents of state funding for internal improvements popularized an election ballad that framed canals and roads as the ruin of their agrarian paradise:

So therefore let it be our care,
To keep these men away from there,
Who build their castles in the air,
Who dream they can vast things perform,
Aid in a breadth God’s works reform,
[But to] us send such men as will
Cut no canals through vale nor hill.

In the eyes of opponents, where canals and railroads cut a swath through the countryside,
they seemed to decimate local communities and turn once healthy, independent farmers into washed-out wage laborers.

A New York editor invited readers to gaze on the “sallow complexions, emaciated forms, and stooping shoulders” of mill workers and consider what a “crime against society” it was to “divert human industry from the fields and the forests
to the iron forges and cotton factories.”

In another thread, HondurasKeiser describes the “happiness plight” of ordinary folks living with so little, and how “want” upsets the fragile balance. Jesus and scriptures do not suggest wealth, comfort, ease guarantee happiness/fulfilment, just the opposite!
Yet the human condition routinely seeks all of these things.

Not that these things are offered with ordinary folks in mind! They aren’t. They are offered due to military or commerce desires of others. Wealth+power of the few. Throughout history, this includes infrastructure, in contemporary times, much is driven by technology and the internet. Notice HK’s references to TV, etc. And resulting unhappiness and covetnousness.

We are our own worst enemies. i’m not sure why. Jesus offers His way. We always hanker for our way first.

For what it's worth I posted this thought here 2&1/2 years ago and the sentiments are still the same but perhaps more articulate and speak to broader structural issues better than what I just posted in response to MikeF (this may also get to T1's query):

I’ve lived and worked in Honduras for 10 years both as a missionary, serving the very poorest of society and now as teacher, where I give philosophy and history classes to the children of the very wealthiest.

I don’t pretend to be an expert on Honduran society and I certainly cannot claim to have many answers with respect to issues of immigration. The whole topic strikes me as far more complex and nuanced than what many voices on either the Right or the Left make it out to be.

Nevertheless, I know the milieu in which I live, I know why many poor Hondurans choose to emigrate illegally, I know why many wealthy Hondurans fly to Miami or Atlanta to give birth to their children and I know that all else remaining constant, this current caravan is only the beginning.

A poor Honduran lives his life with little to no hope of ever achieving anything approaching financial stability.
The people I know make their livings off of garbage collecting, selling un-ripened bananas and day-laboring at construction sites.

I’m particularly close with a group of young men and older boys that live in and around the municipal garbage dump of La Ceiba.

In many respects they are some of the happiest, most worldly-wise, most realistic people that I have ever met.
Not much upsets them, they laugh often and give fully of themselves to whoever asks.

They also have absolutely no hope of a better future.
They work hard, incredibly hard; rising before dawn to load up on either the banana or garbage trucks and not finishing work until late in the evening.

For their efforts they manage to bring home about $5 a day with which they are expected to either help support their parent(s) or the family that they’ve started. Some in the garbage dump community also manage to study in the local public high school on the weekends. Their hope is that if they can manage to graduate high school, perhaps even college, that they will be more attractive to local businesses and thereby land jobs as sales clerks, cashiers or bank tellers.

I haven’t the heart to tell them that all of their effort will likely be for naught as businesses simply don’t have the available positions to fill and that even if they did, business owners would never consider a public high school education worth anything compared to one from a private high school.

The economy here is anemic, the currency is prone to inflation and the ability to open and maintain a small to medium-sized business is notoriously difficult both because of the endless and contradictory bureaucratic paperwork and because gangs often extort local proprietors until they have to shutter their operations.

Government for its part is utterly corrupt;
it actively steals from any and all available funds, including and most recently the Social Security fund.

It refuses to maintain a proper infrastructure, protect its citizens from gangs and narco-traffickers, provide a decent public education or healthcare system and it has now begun to blatantly steal elections.

This then is what drives the poor of Honduras to leave their country, their homes and their families.
Sure there are many fleeing direct threats of violence; I’ve known a few.

Most though leave because they simply have no future here, no hope of achieving what they see on the television, no hope of offering a better life to their children.

Those of my friends that I’ve watched leave have never been eager to go, they were heart-broken at the prospect of leaving the friends and families behind and they always insisted that they’d return; they simply saw no other way of improving their lot in life.
They recognized that Honduras as it is, as it is structured, keeps them permanently poor.

I am not sure what the solution is.
Nothing the United States does at the border will change Honduran society or diminish the impetus to emigrate.

Life for 4.8 million Hondurans will still be a never-ending hamster-wheel of poverty.
The government will still defraud its citizens at every turn.
Gangs will still operate with impunity.

Hondurans will still find ways to enter the U.S. illegally.

If the United States wants to to truly solve the immigration crisis, and a caravan/invading horde of 7,000 people is a crisis, it needs to make some difficult decisions that affect those that are in power here.

It can begin by cutting off aid, every penny to this country.
The U.S. gave $67.8 million in military and development aid to Honduras in 2018.
In 2017 it was over 100 million.

That money is not reaching its intended destinations; its being siphoned off to corrupt government officials at every level before ever reaching a worthy development project.

The U.S. should revoke travel visas of known corrupt officials.
Recently there have been a few prominent politicians to lose their U.S. entry visas, there should be many more, beginning with the President.

Lastly, immigration law should change to make it more difficult for the wealthy of Honduras to fly to the U.S. to have their children and thereby procure for them birthright citizenship.

Many of my students are U.S. citizens and haven’t the faintest inkling of what that means for them in terms of rights and attendant responsibilities. Such practices make a mockery of citizenship as a concept and make legal for the wealthy i.e. anchor-babies, the very thing that the poor are demonized for attempting to do.

These solutions, if you an call them that, may seem naïve and short-sighted.
I know that it would not solve the structural problems here as such.

I know too though that unless those that are in power have real and sustained pressure put on them, unless their access to unlimited funds is finally cut off, unless they are forced to truly reckon with what they’ve wrought in this country;
Honduras will continue to produce thousands of émigrées every year and the U.S. will continue to fight this battle by proxy at the southern border.

The primary point for Ernie’s OP is about the happiness/contentment scale associated with simple life.

Then HK continues on to complications associated with outside interference. Corruption, coveting.

For myself, i see potential for optimism AFTER the U.S. changes HK suggests.
First: Pull the plug on corruption.
Then: Approach Foreign Aid anew, demanding accountability for funds.

Endless funds to the incompetent+corrupt makes no sense. Pull the plug and begin fresh.

“Go and sin no more” are classic words that fit most troubles faulty mankind comes up against.

- - -

In the U.S., there was first a need for highways, railroads, canals; i.e., infrastructure followed perceived need.
True throughout history. Today, what is the need?

Politicians seem to have an idea that, “If we build it, they will come.” This is backward.
From what i can see, these projects may be “roads to nowhere,” as the country moves evermore to a welfare state.
The wealthy FLY in private jets.

“A petition urging the government to give $2,000 monthly stimulus checks to every American has surpassed 2 million signatures”
https://www.businessinsider.com/petitio ... ple-2021-5

HK:
.. I’m particularly close with a group of young men and older boys that live in and around the municipal garbage dump of La Ceiba. ..

Jesus empowered the most humble, respecting their human dignity and agency in all circumstances.
i guess it’s hard to explain if you haven’t been there. If you have, it doesn’t require explanation!

[HansMacDonald]

t1, you also had a mother and father who kept you alive. Which is more than many babies and kids have these days.

You were rich indeed.

yes. funny, tho.
i’m sure my young brain worked in a way that believed i was rich because my mother+father were alive and present.
that’s what children want - their mother+father, safe and present. rich or poor, circumstances don’t matter.

funny how some in poverty live in gratitude, others with “everything” experience continual dissatisfaction.

i suppose a most important prayer is for the gift of gratitude.

2021 / i’m reminded of a fav HK post from years ago:

OP:

I found this article interesting...
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ ... out-485107
In particular the opposition to canals and railroads in the 1800's.

In another thread, HondurasKeiser describes the “happiness plight” of ordinary folks living with so little, and how “want” upsets the fragile balance. Jesus and scriptures do not suggest wealth, comfort, ease guarantee happiness/fulfilment, just the opposite!
Yet the human condition routinely seeks all of these things.

Not that these things are offered with ordinary folks in mind! They aren’t. They are offered due to military or commerce desires of others. Wealth+power of the few. Throughout history, this includes infrastructure, in contemporary times, much is driven by technology and the internet. Notice HK’s references to TV, etc. And resulting unhappiness and covetnousness.

We are our own worst enemies. i’m not sure why. Jesus offers His way. We always hanker for our way first.

For what it's worth I posted this thought here 2&1/2 years ago and the sentiments are still the same but perhaps more articulate and speak to broader structural issues better than what I just posted in response to MikeF (this may also get to T1's query):

I’ve lived and worked in Honduras for 10 years both as a missionary, serving the very poorest of society and now as teacher, where I give philosophy and history classes to the children of the very wealthiest.

I don’t pretend to be an expert on Honduran society and I certainly cannot claim to have many answers with respect to issues of immigration. The whole topic strikes me as far more complex and nuanced than what many voices on either the Right or the Left make it out to be.

Nevertheless, I know the milieu in which I live, I know why many poor Hondurans choose to emigrate illegally, I know why many wealthy Hondurans fly to Miami or Atlanta to give birth to their children and I know that all else remaining constant, this current caravan is only the beginning.

A poor Honduran lives his life with little to no hope of ever achieving anything approaching financial stability.
The people I know make their livings off of garbage collecting, selling un-ripened bananas and day-laboring at construction sites.

I’m particularly close with a group of young men and older boys that live in and around the municipal garbage dump of La Ceiba.

In many respects they are some of the happiest, most worldly-wise, most realistic people that I have ever met.
Not much upsets them, they laugh often and give fully of themselves to whoever asks.

They also have absolutely no hope of a better future.
They work hard, incredibly hard; rising before dawn to load up on either the banana or garbage trucks and not finishing work until late in the evening.

For their efforts they manage to bring home about $5 a day with which they are expected to either help support their parent(s) or the family that they’ve started. Some in the garbage dump community also manage to study in the local public high school on the weekends. Their hope is that if they can manage to graduate high school, perhaps even college, that they will be more attractive to local businesses and thereby land jobs as sales clerks, cashiers or bank tellers.

I haven’t the heart to tell them that all of their effort will likely be for naught as businesses simply don’t have the available positions to fill and that even if they did, business owners would never consider a public high school education worth anything compared to one from a private high school.

The economy here is anemic, the currency is prone to inflation and the ability to open and maintain a small to medium-sized business is notoriously difficult both because of the endless and contradictory bureaucratic paperwork and because gangs often extort local proprietors until they have to shutter their operations.

Government for its part is utterly corrupt;
it actively steals from any and all available funds, including and most recently the Social Security fund.

It refuses to maintain a proper infrastructure, protect its citizens from gangs and narco-traffickers, provide a decent public education or healthcare system and it has now begun to blatantly steal elections.

This then is what drives the poor of Honduras to leave their country, their homes and their families.
Sure there are many fleeing direct threats of violence; I’ve known a few.

Most though leave because they simply have no future here, no hope of achieving what they see on the television, no hope of offering a better life to their children.

Those of my friends that I’ve watched leave have never been eager to go, they were heart-broken at the prospect of leaving the friends and families behind and they always insisted that they’d return; they simply saw no other way of improving their lot in life.
They recognized that Honduras as it is, as it is structured, keeps them permanently poor.

I am not sure what the solution is.
Nothing the United States does at the border will change Honduran society or diminish the impetus to emigrate.

Life for 4.8 million Hondurans will still be a never-ending hamster-wheel of poverty.
The government will still defraud its citizens at every turn.
Gangs will still operate with impunity.

Hondurans will still find ways to enter the U.S. illegally.

If the United States wants to to truly solve the immigration crisis, and a caravan/invading horde of 7,000 people is a crisis, it needs to make some difficult decisions that affect those that are in power here.

It can begin by cutting off aid, every penny to this country.
The U.S. gave $67.8 million in military and development aid to Honduras in 2018.
In 2017 it was over 100 million.

That money is not reaching its intended destinations; its being siphoned off to corrupt government officials at every level before ever reaching a worthy development project.

The U.S. should revoke travel visas of known corrupt officials.
Recently there have been a few prominent politicians to lose their U.S. entry visas, there should be many more, beginning with the President.

Lastly, immigration law should change to make it more difficult for the wealthy of Honduras to fly to the U.S. to have their children and thereby procure for them birthright citizenship.

Many of my students are U.S. citizens and haven’t the faintest inkling of what that means for them in terms of rights and attendant responsibilities. Such practices make a mockery of citizenship as a concept and make legal for the wealthy i.e. anchor-babies, the very thing that the poor are demonized for attempting to do.

These solutions, if you an call them that, may seem naïve and short-sighted.
I know that it would not solve the structural problems here as such.

I know too though that unless those that are in power have real and sustained pressure put on them, unless their access to unlimited funds is finally cut off, unless they are forced to truly reckon with what they’ve wrought in this country;
Honduras will continue to produce thousands of émigrées every year and the U.S. will continue to fight this battle by proxy at the southern border.

The primary point for Ernie’s OP is about the happiness/contentment scale associated with simple life.

Then HK continues on to complications associated with outside interference. Corruption, coveting.

For myself, i see potential for optimism AFTER the U.S. changes HK suggests.
First: Pull the plug on corruption.
Then: Approach Foreign Aid anew, demanding accountability for funds.

Endless funds to the incompetent+corrupt makes no sense. Pull the plug and begin fresh.

“Go and sin no more” are classic words that fit most troubles faulty mankind comes up against.

- - -

In the U.S., there was first a need for highways, railroads, canals; i.e., infrastructure followed perceived need.
True throughout history. Today, what is the need?

Politicians seem to have an idea that, “If we build it, they will come.” This is backward.
From what i can see, these projects may be “roads to nowhere,” as the country moves evermore to a welfare state.
The wealthy FLY in private jets.

“A petition urging the government to give $2,000 monthly stimulus checks to every American has surpassed 2 million signatures”
https://www.businessinsider.com/petitio ... ple-2021-5

HK:
.. I’m particularly close with a group of young men and older boys that live in and around the municipal garbage dump of La Ceiba. ..

Jesus empowered the most humble, respecting their human dignity and agency in all circumstances.
i guess it’s hard to explain if you haven’t been there. If you have, it doesn’t require explanation!

This conversation reminds me of Leo Tolstoy's conversion to a more authentic Christianity. He saw the uncomplicated happiness and contentment of the destitute Russian peasants and realized that he, with all his wealth and success, wasn't truly happy and content. He eventually left his privileged life for a simpler existence, though he didn't live long afterwards. I hope he found his happiness before he died.

[temporal1]

Back to LINDSAY CLANCY (reports are, her GFM goal is now $3 million)

Blabbermouth jurors.

Presuming most have seen disturbing voluntary interviews with some of the LC jurors,
as well as courtroom antics of LC’s attorney, Mr Reddington, i’m wondering how this case might impact future court rooms?

Are jurors to be put on public trial in the court of public opinion now? As well as defense attorneys, prosecutors, judges??!
If so, will they recieve due process?

ABL / Mr Reddington / -12min


Wayne Howell / Clown Courtroom

[temporal1]

LINDSAY CLANCY

“Jurors behaving badly” ugh.

i’ve never been a juror, from this case, i think jurors should be warned against being bullied and/or bullying in deliberations.
The women jurors in this case come across as insufferable - in their own voluntary words!

The internet reveals a lot.

Holdout clancy juror says he was 'CUT OFF' during deliberations / -7min

Holdout juror Michael Desronvil breaks his silence on the Lindsay Clancy trial as questions surrounding the case continue on 'America Reports.'

From another report:

Clancy is scheduled to return to court on September 29.
Her defense is expected to pursue its double-jeopardy challenge as the court considers what happens next in the case.

In my view ..
1) No death penalty in Massachusetts.
It’s a non-issue for perpetrators, even those like LC, who give others the death penalty without mercy or due process.

2) There’s no dispute (by anyone, includng LC) LC murdered her 3 children.

3) If LC is found to be criminally insane, she should go to an asylum for treatment. Merciful.

4) If LC is later found to be harmless, or ready to leave the treatment, ok, she then goes to prison to begin serving a life sentence without parole, for murdering 3 defenseless babies. Merciful.

If a person is insane or temporarily insane, then, upon treatment is able to regain sanity, the realization of having committed heinous crimes would cause deep remorse, and desire to correct the wrongs. Prison would be expected for murder.

For the criminally insane, those beyond restoration, permanent asylum care would be the most merciful.

- - - - - - -
- - - - - - -

CANADA
i do not agree with Canada’s handling of the WILL BAKER case.
i see a lot of similarity in these two cases.

“Canada man who beheaded bus passenger granted freedom”
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38945061

A man with schizophrenia who beheaded a fellow bus passenger in Canada in 2008 has been granted freedom.
Will Baker, formerly known as Vince Weiguang Li, killed 22-year-old Tim McLean after hearing what he thought was "the voice of God".
He was deemed not criminally responsible and received mental health treatment.
A review board in Manitoba ordered his discharge - without monitoring - saying he did not pose a significant threat.

Mr McLean's mother, who had opposed granting Mr Baker freedom, said she had "no words" following the decision on Friday.
"I have no comment today," Carol de Delley wrote on Facebook.

[JohnH]

He is currently being hounded at his home by journalists and Lindsey Clancy supporters and his family says they are trapped in their house and can't even leave.

NBC decided it needed to disclose his identity. This is jury intimidation and is wrong.