Measels outbreak in Lancaster County

[JohnH]

Believe it or not, I would prefer that as well. It would have been better if some other cell line was used other than the ones we have. But here we are, having to make choices with severe consequences.

Yeah, we just come out on different points on how we handle what we have now.

Which is ok.

I'm not sure it is. I don't think it was "ok" when there were two different points of view on handling slavery, for example. I think the same is true today of abortion.

[joshuabgood]

Yeah, we just come out on different points on how we handle what we have now.

Which is ok.

I'm not sure it is. I don't think it was "ok" when there were two different points of view on handling slavery, for example. I think the same is true today of abortion.

It is ok that you don't think it is ok. I don't see it like you see it. I see the ethics of it differently. Perhaps at some point I will see it as you do. But I don't now. I advocate, only to those that ask, as otherwise one mostly wastes their time, for the MMR. I don't see the cell lines as living baby parts. I don't see moral culpability for the original abortion extending to those who use the vaccine.

I also advocate for the ability of parents to decide whether or not they will have their children vaccinated. They are their children. I also believe that the idea "shedding no one's blood but our own," and "doing no harm" has implications for how we comport ourselves in the context of public health. Reckless behavior, with regard to public health, is untoward for Anabaptist folks...in my view. (I am not accusing anyone.) If one chooses not to vaccinate, some scrupulousness around ensuring that they don't infect other immunocompromised folks is in order. In my view...

[JohnH]

I also advocate for the ability of parents to decide whether or not they will have their children vaccinated. They are their children. I also believe that the idea "shedding no one's blood but our own," and "doing no harm" has implications for how we comport ourselves in the context of public health. Reckless behavior is untoward for Anabaptist folks...in my view. If one chooses not to vaccinate, some scrupulousness around ensuring that they don't infect other immunocompromised folks is in order. In my view...

So, would you have been in the camp back in 2021 that people like me should be excluded from employment and our children from school (and church, in some provinces) if we decided not to take the COVID vaccine?

[joshuabgood]

I also advocate for the ability of parents to decide whether or not they will have their children vaccinated. They are their children. I also believe that the idea "shedding no one's blood but our own," and "doing no harm" has implications for how we comport ourselves in the context of public health. Reckless behavior is untoward for Anabaptist folks...in my view. If one chooses not to vaccinate, some scrupulousness around ensuring that they don't infect other immunocompromised folks is in order. In my view...

So, would you have been in the camp back in 2021 that people like me should be excluded from employment and our children from school (and church, in some provinces) if we decided not to take the COVID vaccine?

I am in the camp that if some one is at risk of spreading a serious infectious disease, loving their neighbor means they ought to take care not to make endanger the health of others. Surely you can agree with that...we have some obligation to protect public health.

[Soloist]

I also advocate for the ability of parents to decide whether or not they will have their children vaccinated. They are their children. I also believe that the idea "shedding no one's blood but our own," and "doing no harm" has implications for how we comport ourselves in the context of public health. Reckless behavior is untoward for Anabaptist folks...in my view. If one chooses not to vaccinate, some scrupulousness around ensuring that they don't infect other immunocompromised folks is in order. In my view...

So, would you have been in the camp back in 2021 that people like me should be excluded from employment and our children from school (and church, in some provinces) if we decided not to take the COVID vaccine?

You could also reread it and see that he’s talking about the individual not the government

[JohnH]

I also advocate for the ability of parents to decide whether or not they will have their children vaccinated. They are their children. I also believe that the idea "shedding no one's blood but our own," and "doing no harm" has implications for how we comport ourselves in the context of public health. Reckless behavior is untoward for Anabaptist folks...in my view. If one chooses not to vaccinate, some scrupulousness around ensuring that they don't infect other immunocompromised folks is in order. In my view...

So, would you have been in the camp back in 2021 that people like me should be excluded from employment and our children from school (and church, in some provinces) if we decided not to take the COVID vaccine?

I am in the camp that if some one is at risk of spreading a serious infectious disease, loving their neighbor means they ought to take care not to make endanger the health of others. Surely you can agree with that...we have some obligation to protect public health.

Okay, so consider that some of us consider abortion a great evil, much like Anabaptists and Quakers and others considered slavery a big problem back in the 1700s and 1800s. Many of them would take great pains to avoid buying things produced by slave labour. Some of us today want to avoid things tainted by abortion.

So some of us are simply not going to use vaccines created/designed/developed/invented using abortion.

Do you really think it makes sense to tell those of us with our convictions that we can't:

- attend church
- work
- have our children attend school

[AnthonyMartin]

So some of us are simply not going to use vaccines created/designed/developed/invented using abortion.

Do you really think it makes sense to tell those of us with our convictions that we can't:

- attend church
- work
- have our children attend school

Do you have any convictions about your potential role in spreading an infectious disease?

Edit: to avoid the tiring circle, I believe it’s wrong to kill a baby, including one in the uterus.

[Soloist]

When I realized I could not in good conscience get the Covid vaccine I bought a respirator, the first of its kind with exit filtration for work.

[Southerner]

Okay, so consider that some of us consider abortion a great evil, much like Anabaptists and Quakers and others considered slavery a big problem back in the 1700s and 1800s. Many of them would take great pains to avoid buying things produced by slave labour. Some of us today want to avoid things tainted by abortion.

Who were the Anabaptists that took the aforementioned position?

[JohnH]

Do you have any convictions about your potential role in spreading an infectious disease?

Yes. I would go out of my way not to intentionally infect people, and also would try not to unintentionally infect people. However, there are limits - it's pretty much impossible not to spread some kinds of colds, for example. I don't quarantine and isolate myself whenever I have a cold, although that's because the evidence as I understand it is that quarantining doesn't seem to do much good for certain diseases.

If I had measles (despite me being vaccinated), I would try to see what I could do to not spread it to others.

I would not be willing to engage in participating in abortion just so that I could be less likely to spread an infectious disease, though.

Who were the Anabaptists that took the aforementioned position?

I am really only familiar with the Quakers who took positions that were considered extreme at the time. I am aware that Anabaptists tended to move out of areas that were tolerating slavery as they didn't want to participate in farm markets, etc. where slavery was commonplace. My own ancestors were Quakers in North Carolina who migrated away from there for that reason, and there were Mennonites who also migrated away at the same time for the same reasons.