Measels outbreak in Lancaster County

[barnhart]

Part of the agenda of the pro-abortion movement is to dehumanise unborn babies. Hence why they call it a "fetus" or a "blob of tissue" and refuse to call it a "baby".

I refuse to part of the pro-abortion agenda. Fetal stem cells are parts from an aborted baby. It is especially concerning when so-called Christians refuse to see or acknowledge this.

My cousin had to terminate her pregnancy due to a rare blood condition where she along with her baby would both die. She is a Mennonite.

I would support her decision if it is as you describe. If you lose the mother, you have lost both of them. I have been in situations where these choices were being made. Actual clinical medicine is difficult and messy. Slogans don’t work.

I have a relative who survived two tubal pregnancies which were deadly if not terminated. I appreciate standing on principle as well as the next person but there can be a strain at gnat to swallow a camel side to absolutist positions.

[Soloist]

My cousin had to terminate her pregnancy due to a rare blood condition where she along with her baby would both die. She is a Mennonite.

I have no judgment on that.
The one time we had to do a DnC we had a repeat ultrasound before hand…

Would you have a problem w a vaccine developed from her baby?

I don’t know. That being said, vaccines or cell lines are not generally created from babies with health issues outside of specific testing for specific diseases.
I am much more comfortable with cord, blood or even samples taken from a baby post birth… I don’t know that I have a religious objection or not. I haven’t considered that sort of scenario very much as it’s not plausible for the practices.
I would have no problem with science being performed to further study and possibly resolve the health issue.
We had intended to donate the remains of our child for study, but the hospital screwed up handling the baby remains.

[barnhart]

My cousin had to terminate her pregnancy due to a rare blood condition where she along with her baby would both die. She is a Mennonite.

I have no judgment on that.
The one time we had to do a DnC we had a repeat ultrasound before hand…

Would you have a problem w a vaccine developed from her baby?

If the child were mine I would consider medical donation if I were confident it was in good hands. Making money for big pharma is not very motivating but if I had confidence the donation could assist in conquering a terrible disease or two I might.

[Judas Maccabeus]

My cousin had to terminate her pregnancy due to a rare blood condition where she along with her baby would both die. She is a Mennonite.

I would support her decision if it is as you describe. If you lose the mother, you have lost both of them. I have been in situations where these choices were being made. Actual clinical medicine is difficult and messy. Slogans don’t work.

I have a relative who survived two tubal pregnancies which were deadly if not terminated. I appreciate standing on principle as well as the next person but there can be a strain at gnat to swallow a camel side to absolutist positions.

No live baby has ever been born from a tubal pregnancy. There rests a choice there. A dead baby, or a dead baby and a dead mother. My wife almost died from one of those, US of the era missed it, was the baby dead when the surgery to stop the bleeding was done? I don’t know, and would suggest it was irrelevant. She bled 2 units into her abdominal cavity,

[JohnH]

Just as a reminder, the stem cells were all taken from elective abortions.

I think elective abortions are evil. Does anyone here disagree?

[Judas Maccabeus]

I have no judgment on that.
The one time we had to do a DnC we had a repeat ultrasound before hand…

Would you have a problem w a vaccine developed from her baby?

I don’t know. That being said, vaccines or cell lines are not generally created from babies with health issues outside of specific testing for specific diseases.
I am much more comfortable with cord, blood or even samples taken from a baby post birth… I don’t know that I have a religious objection or not. I haven’t considered that sort of scenario very much as it’s not plausible for the practices.
I would have no problem with science being performed to further study and possibly resolve the health issue.
We had intended to donate the remains of our child for study, but the hospital screwed up handling the baby remains.

Believe it or not, I would prefer that as well. It would have been better if some other cell line was used other than the ones we have. But here we are, having to make choices with severe consequences.

[Soloist]

I would support her decision if it is as you describe. If you lose the mother, you have lost both of them. I have been in situations where these choices were being made. Actual clinical medicine is difficult and messy. Slogans don’t work.

I have a relative who survived two tubal pregnancies which were deadly if not terminated. I appreciate standing on principle as well as the next person but there can be a strain at gnat to swallow a camel side to absolutist positions.

No live baby has ever been born from a tubal pregnancy. There rests a choice there. A dead baby, or a dead baby and a dead mother. My wife almost died from one of those, US of the era missed it, was the baby dead when the surgery to stop the bleeding was done? I don’t know, and would suggest it was irrelevant. She bled 2 units into her abdominal cavity,

Ironically, it was fear of a tubal that got us to stop using IUDs. We were very concerned it was and an ER doctor told us it increased the risk using IUD’s after the fact.

[Soloist]

Believe it or not, I would prefer that as well. It would have been better if some other cell line was used other than the ones we have. But here we are, having to make choices with severe consequences.

Yeah, we just come out on different points on how we handle what we have now.

[AnthonyMartin]

Is Senomyx connected with Nestle? I believe Nestle contracted with them to do the taste research. No indication anywhere that I can find that the sweetener included any HEK-293.

It would appear this is where the rumor started perhaps?

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC123709/

That paper is pretty far into the weeds. Has to do with “what makes sweet, sweet.” Nothing to do with coffee creamer

I believe this is the study contracted by Nestle to Senomyx that originated the claim. I may be wrong, but that was my understanding. As others have said, quite a few entities paid Senomyx for their research.

[joshuabgood]

Believe it or not, I would prefer that as well. It would have been better if some other cell line was used other than the ones we have. But here we are, having to make choices with severe consequences.

Yeah, we just come out on different points on how we handle what we have now.

Which is ok.